The August 2019 US Politics Thread is dumb (stupid}

all 10 of them

Just like the way they categorize what a racist is, they're only willing to see the caricatures of the group as the problem. Not to throw around fallacy names, but it's kind of a no true scotsman thing. If he insists that liberals are saying we have a white supremacist problem, but to him a white supremacist is defined narrowly as literally a skinhead with a swastika tattoo on their forehead, then yeah that's one way to misrepresent the argument. Same way racism is narrowly defined as separate water fountains and the KKK.

It's easier to justify pernicious behavior when you pretend that its strictest definition is saddled with a bunch of bogus modifiers that let you off the hook.

well, yeah...look at how much they bristled at the concentration camp label

If you were to lock all the white supremacists in a stadium would they bond or turn on each other?
Would hope for a permanent elimination competition.

very fine supremacists on both sides

“I am concerned about the rise of any group of hate,” President Trump tells reporters, adding that is “whether it’s white supremacy, or any other kind of supremacy.”

— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) August 7, 2019

demonstrably concerned about the taco supreme

I don’t care if you’re white, Black, purple, taco, Bourne,

We should all be concerned with the possibility that another group might usurp the millennia-long stranglehold people of west European descent have had on this hemisphere whose every system has been gamed to perpetuate said stranglehold indefinitely. We must remain vigilant etc.

If you were to lock all the white supremacists in a stadium would they bond or turn on each other?

They've been bonding at Trump rallies for years, so...

OTOH people whose existence is so heavily defined by an other they can demonize are almost certain to turn on each other once they realize what's suddenly missing from their football field-bound lives.

Who do you blame for your fundamental uselessness when there are no minorities to scapegoat?

(A koan for our times.)

remember how 2 years ago Trump both sides'd the Charlottesville Nazi rally and it was a big deal

2017 was wild!

Carlson also claimed all the white supremacists in America could fit inside a football stadium

they could call it the Republican National Convention

Trying to think of another organization besides the '64-and-beyond GOP that pushes its tacit white supremacist mandate as close to the brink of explicitness without formally codifying it as such. Coming up short.

maybe the National Party in South Africa, up to 1994? although I'm not sure if apartheid was formally codified by the party or if it was more like Jim Crow (which was formally codified in some areas, of course)

no stats on how many stadiums they'd fill but

Tucker Carlson said last night that white supremacy isn't a "real problem" in the United States. This is almost too ridiculous to fact check, but here are a few numbers from me on the extent of the problem: pic.twitter.com/XFPY3BguD9

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) August 7, 2019

Seal of the GOP should be an old white dude looking aghast and butthurt with 'WHO, ME?' underneath.

can i get a fact check on how effective it has been to fact check obvious racists

it is 100% effective %0 of the time

I think he thinks it impresses people. I just find it a bit anally retentive and a good reason to ignore the guy

Tucker Carlson said last night that white supremacy isn't a "real problem" in the United States.

It doesn't trouble him, therefore it is not a problem.

'How could I fault an ideology which allows me, who in a just universe would be consigned to ashtray cleaning detail at a car wash, to vomit every worthless opinion I have to millions of people on national tv?'

Watching Sleepy Joe Biden making a speech. Sooo Boring! The LameStream Media will die in the ratings and clicks with this guy. It will be over for them, not to mention the fact that our Country will do poorly with him. It will be one big crash, but at least China will be happy!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 7, 2019

he tweets between visiting with the victims two separate mass shootings

that said he's actually right here, the media knows Trump is good for business and that's why they run so much cover for him

his tweets are basically the presidential Warhol Diaries

(sorry Andy)

Everything is fine
https://abc7ny.com/man-slams-13-year-old-to-ground-during-national-anthem-police/5449398/

This is not Brockway’s first run in with police. MTN News obtained court documents from a 2010 incident where he plead guilty to an assault with a weapon charge.
In that 2010 incident, Brockway pulled up to a parked vehicle, got out and pulled a gun on a family and stated he was going to kill them.
Brockway's friend persuaded him to put away his weapon and leave.
He was sentenced to 10 years with the Montana Department of Corrections, all of which were suspended.

Basically American Taliban.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBZG8veW4AY7gN2?format=jpg&name=small

reminder that Trump literally does not care about dead people and sees every single visit as an opportunity for people to show him how much they like him

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBZQI1BVAAEt1PC.jpg

why is no one screaming at him to go away

Dumb post, I guess I wouldn’t cause a scene if he for some reason visited my place of work

I think he thinks it impresses people. I just find it a bit anally retentive and a good reason to ignore the guy

― Stevolende, Thursday, August 8, 2019 5:01 AM (one hour ago)

Beat reporters who are assigned to cover city council meetings just file reports to impress people. I find it anally retentive to report on conspiracies to overturn votes on levies, and if reports cover the mayor's actions after receipt of bribes, that is a good reason to ignore the reporter.

would you stand for the picture and smile? those fucking people around him... xpost

rich doctors are usually chuds

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/08/06/politics/trump-campaign-el-paso-debt/

According to invoice documents obtained by CNN, the city of El Paso initially billed the Trump campaign $470,417.05 in reimbursement costs for the event. But in a letter dated March 27, 2019, the Office of the Comptroller of the City of El Paso wrote to the campaign that, if it did not pay its debt within 30 days, a one-time 21% collection fee -- nearly $100,000 -- would be added. The total invoice with the late fees now stands at $569,204.63.

Dumb post, I guess I wouldn’t cause a scene if he for some reason visited my place of work

one time I bumped into John Howard outside a lift at work, and elected to take the stairs rather than scream at him for going into a fake war as a lickspittle, and for opening concentration camps to imprison refugees about whom he had lied that they murdered their own children, in order to win an election he was tanking

however, this was a public service job at an institution he was already trying to eradicate, and there were no cameras.

I think he reached the bar

Let's hope that Trump is so boorish and uncouth today in Dayton and El Paso that he puts an end once-and-for all to this sick tradition of Presidents visiting the scenes of selected atrocities--they never go to the sites of slaughter that they actually have culpability for.

— Jeffrey St. Clair (@JSCCounterPunch) August 7, 2019

Tucker Carlson Insists Every White Supremacist In America Could Fit In Stadium But That Tickets To TuckerCon Won’t Last https://t.co/mGwgJpOeRU pic.twitter.com/uepMRRyIab

— The Onion (@TheOnion) August 7, 2019

I hope the people can stay angry for a long time about this

Children of those arrested in Wednesday’s #ICE raids near Forest, MS. are being put up in a local gym tonight by neighbors/strangers. Many are left scared & crying after coming home from school & being locked out without their parents. Donated food & drinks are being provided. pic.twitter.com/d2juMdK1Vj

— Alex Love (@AlexLoveWJTV) August 8, 2019

I’ve written and erased several posts re: that story that the mods would have probably had to delete.

sounds awful

xpost I do a lot of that these days. I'm inching ever nearer to making explicit calls for [REDACTED] but I've retained my better judgment this far.

prob best to save it for a signal text

This country has no need for an ethnic cleansing agency, you could just say that. We all agree.

We all agree.

If, by 'we' you indicate ilxors, then yes. If you meant to indicate all Americans, then there seems to be a substantial body within the public who would enthusiastically embrace a bit of the old ethnic cleansing, if it is hidden behind some sort of fig leaf of rationalization.

here's a fun fb comment from someone I've known since we were just little kids. conservatism does a fucking number on people's brains

Let's say libs are right and gun laws protect us from each other for the most part. let's say they "work" (still isnt going to stop people from illegally obtaining a gun), but ultimately if we need to use our guns to rise up against a corrupt govt... say they decided white people all had to die (not too far-fetched these days, eeeh?), but they slowly took our guns... first only the so called assault weapons... then on down to less threatening guns... then our speech gets censored...
I mean, it didn't happen fast in ww2. It was a slow build. So slow nobody realized they were in danger. They took away jews rights, first things like enforcing a curfew, then they made it illegal to purchase from their businesses, separated them by forcing them to wear the mogen David, took away their radios, relocated them with whatever they could carry into ghettos where they were fenced off from the world and cramped and living in horrible conditions, starved them, slowly lowering the amount of food they would get, eventually they were shipped off to death camps. People heard rumors... but how can you believe something so horrible. Also what can you do when you are nearly starved to death, swollen with hunger and have no weapons?
I'm not for giving more control away, because I don't want to see a slow erosion of our rights. I do not trust government.

I saw a quote that read: "how many people have to die before you will give up your guns"

"the answer is all of us"