there is an actual answer and it's that the EU has to agree to its termination which of course means that the UK is being crushed under the heel of the unelected etc
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 12:58 (four years ago) link
(xpost)
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 12:59 (four years ago) link
The guy who wrote the Guardian piece is a constitutional expert, I believe, i.e. not one their usual remoaner clowns.
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 13:01 (four years ago) link
He is, which explains the focus on what could theoretically happen, rather than what is likely to.
― ShariVari, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 13:05 (four years ago) link
the backstop is undemocratic because fifty odd unionists havent agreed to it
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 13:06 (four years ago) link
ah ok Tracer Hand, that makes more sense. the EU wasn't elected by the UK populace, so any act that requires collaboration with the EU is undemocratic.
can't wait to see a democratic trade deal with the USA!
― L'assie (Euler), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 13:08 (four years ago) link
usual remoaner clowns
We're using this term unironically now?
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 13:09 (four years ago) link
with all due respect i would suggest that any MP not currently convinced that Johnson has set the controls for the heart of The Sun may not be temperamentally ready for whatever struggle lies ahead
yeah the piece ends up at the usual West Wing fanfic but i suspect this is because of the slow awful realisation that all of the parliamentary alternatives are at best uncharted territory and at worst not gonna happen
― seven against feebs (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 13:10 (four years ago) link
We've been doing that for a while, keep up there, pom. (xp)
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 13:11 (four years ago) link
Ah, my bad. All is well, carry on.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 13:13 (four years ago) link
Remoaner clowns to the left of me, FBPE piss boilers to the right...
― calzino, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 13:17 (four years ago) link
well they are both the same but never mind!
― calzino, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 13:18 (four years ago) link
haven't asked what ye want for a while now
what do ye want again
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 13:18 (four years ago) link
Tbf ça a le mérite d'être clair.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 13:19 (four years ago) link
ah ok Tracer Hand, that makes more sense. the EU wasn't elected by the UK populace, so any act that requires collaboration with the EU is undemocratic.can't wait to see a democratic trade deal with the USA!
yes, we are Taking Back Control, and if we have to trash our NHS and food/agricultural standards and who knows what else for a trade deal where Trump can be sure he's unequivocally Winning, that's all just part of the special relationship that nobody outside the UK knows exists
similarly, if unelected bureaucrat Dominic Cummings seems to be having an undue amount of influence or airtime it's all still very good and democratic because the man is going to have a blue passport soon and give them to all of the rest of us too (if anyone can afford to pay for them or wait for them to make their way through hundred-mile lorry tailbacks on their way over from France)
― a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 13:20 (four years ago) link
haven't asked what ye want for a while nowwhat do ye want again
cash bonanza for disaster capitalists wrapped in the guise of 'send the buggers back' iirc
― Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 13:34 (four years ago) link
unelected bureaucrat Dominic Cummings
unelected bureaucrat only just recently held in contempt of parliament, remember, because nothingmatters.gif
― Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 13:35 (four years ago) link
I want what I voted for in '17, simple as.
people love clarity, that's why Sturgeon is so popular with the melts - because she has the luxury of representing a pro-remain part of the uk and she can come out with nonsense like yesterday when she said a NDB would be just as much Corbyn's fault. Now for starters she's the one whose indyref2 tactics handed 10 SNP seats to the tories in '17 and effectively kept them in power, so she can take some blame herself going by her own dubious logic.
― calzino, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 13:38 (four years ago) link
Given that Johnson's Cabinet of all the headbangers could well have neutralised the ERG is it possible he's just trying to scare the EU into giving him a few face-saving changes to the WA and trying to scare Parliament into voting it through?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 13:43 (four years ago) link
it's *possible*
one might argue that bringing in Cummings is a step too far for a game of chicken
― seven against feebs (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 13:45 (four years ago) link
The world's worst spad.
― calzino, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 13:51 (four years ago) link
a proper welfare state, regional devolution, move towards common rather than private partnership and ownership models, land reform, prioritization of the reduction of inequality, abolition of the monarchy, abolition of westminster, vastly improved public transport and a move away from car-centred planning, a 3 day weekend, proper provision for refugees, more democratic and stronger unions, stricter regulation for finance, tech, media and other multinationals, prison reform, ambitious industrial strategy, an end to the hostile environment and all similarly dehumanising bureaucracy, a written constitution, nuclear disarmament, and the digging of a giant pit in the centre of the country
― ogmor, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 13:58 (four years ago) link
can't argue with any of that.
― calzino, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:01 (four years ago) link
I assume we're all on board with that Homeric catalogue. Dissension begins with the question of method.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:05 (four years ago) link
i want an end to people with autism being sectioned and warehoused like animals. people with conditions like MS being put into private elderly care homes and left to rot. This is stuff much more important than brexit to me, and the longer it it is the main show the less chance of any important reforms. but this is my self-interest stuff, there is much more that needs fixing and won't be fixed until there is an end to austerity.
― calzino, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:09 (four years ago) link
At the risk of stating the unfortunate obvious, Brexit will have a bearing on all that. It's not a sideshow.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:11 (four years ago) link
giant pit is inside giant peach: https://decollins1969.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/james-pessego-gigante-2.jpg
― mark s, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:12 (four years ago) link
yeah but the sensible moderates are not meaningfully opposed to austerity (apart from occasional weak lip service) - so here we are.
― calzino, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:13 (four years ago) link
i support the quatermassisation of the midlands fwiw
― Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:14 (four years ago) link
about time the landed gentry got a bit closer the land!
― calzino, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:19 (four years ago) link
Once scooped up, that soil could be used to construct a man-made island off the Pacific coast where they could all congregate in blissful, communal solitude at long last.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:19 (four years ago) link
the rutland archipelago
― Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:20 (four years ago) link
fuck that it sounds too nice, the scunthorpe gulag archipelagos would be much more educational for them.
― calzino, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:23 (four years ago) link
can we just wall off guernsey escape from new york-style and intern the rich there until we can get this whole situation under control
― Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:25 (four years ago) link
open for a surprise:
Mayor suggests parking problem solution https://t.co/r4lRYD8eQu pic.twitter.com/Bog3G9ROdn— SHROPSHIRE (@DailySHROPSHIRE) August 5, 2019
― mark s, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:27 (four years ago) link
climate will have a bearing on everything, the state of the big parties will have a bearing on everything, revolutions in tech will have a bearing on everything, the media will have a bearing on everything, the general mood of the demos wrt the political process will have a bearing on everything, the global economy will have a bearing on everything, the unforgettable terror of the great yawning abyssal nothingness will have a bearing on everything
― ogmor, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:28 (four years ago) link
some exemplary 'local councillors pointing at things' content there xp
― Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:29 (four years ago) link
Indeed, ogmor, indeed.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:29 (four years ago) link
the unforgettable terror of the great yawning abyssal nothingness will have a bearing on everything
it all comes back to the midlands eventually
― Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:30 (four years ago) link
A bull ring on everything.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:31 (four years ago) link
what? more canals than Venice, pal!
― calzino, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:34 (four years ago) link
Wait have my drugs kicked in or is Alex Ferguson the mayor of Newport?
― seven against feebs (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:35 (four years ago) link
venice will probably be one giant canal in about 18 months tbf
― Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:35 (four years ago) link
You beat me to it there. (xp)
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:36 (four years ago) link
be funny if he had a wee young assistant who is a Giggsy clone.
― calzino, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:42 (four years ago) link
http://viz.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/p14-Priest-Bodmin.jpg
any excuse to post this viz classic!
― calzino, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:47 (four years ago) link
thread's covering a lot of ground today
― Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:48 (four years ago) link
Yeah, I think they know that (or know that's he acting that way so well it might as well be genuine). I think what they're actually waiting (utterly in vain) for is their less swivel-eyed constituents to realise this might be madness and allow them to stop it. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxp
― stet, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:49 (four years ago) link
With a margin of one I don't think anything can be said to have neutralised the ERG. At least, anything that did would lose them Remainers.
Their rhetoric has ruined them here. Some form of undemocratic backstop is essentially unavoidable for the WA, so they can't have the WA. There is no Brexit left that can be delivered, is there? For those who understand that No Deal is bad not good, the only escape left is brinksmanship and making it Someone Else's Fault.
― stet, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:54 (four years ago) link
https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/bears-wolves-roam-ancient-woodland-wildlife-project/
^^^this has been open less than a fortnight btw and already the clamour for hogs is *crossbow bolt thru forehead*
― mark s, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:58 (four years ago) link