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― Evan, Monday, 5 August 2019 18:04 (four years ago) link
sic does that every time he catches someone sharing a link from facebook. I'm giving him some good-natured shit about it.
― ☮ (peace, man), Monday, 5 August 2019 18:14 (four years ago) link
I hear Carrie kept sharing links that way, and that's why Janet left the band.
― frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 5 August 2019 18:24 (four years ago) link
Thought that one was less revealing than the Guardian piece from a week before with their difference places in life, etc..
I've been listening to All Hands and One Beat for the last week and the difference that's striking me most is the vocal mix, especially the latest song released where Carrie's singing just seems to be on top of everything else.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 5 August 2019 21:26 (four years ago) link
i'm a little surprised to hear how hands on Annie Clark was actually in that interview so I can see how that may have been kind of an unpleasant Yoko situation for Janet.
― akm, Monday, 5 August 2019 21:41 (four years ago) link
huh I thought it was incredibly revealing, unintentionally so
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 5 August 2019 21:42 (four years ago) link
clark sounded like a member of the band
― j., Monday, 5 August 2019 21:49 (four years ago) link
yeah, both in the piece and in the music
― Dan S, Monday, 5 August 2019 22:08 (four years ago) link
greil m. weighs in:
I hear a person who New York Times critics and herself have sold as the coolest person on earth. What I hear on the new material is: Wouldn’t you like to be like me?—not mentioning that she’s been an image from the start. I have been an absolute fan of the band since they formed and I heard their first tracks (including their cover of “More than a Feeling”) and stood next to the stage when they first played San Francisco. I never liked everything they did: being a fan is knowing that to embrace poor work is to betray the band, not to mention oneself. What I hear so far is a producer stealing the voice of people better than she is so that she’ll still be appearing In the fashion pages when they’re no longer competition. I hope I’m completely wrong. I am prejudiced for the west over the east. But I’ve always thought St. Vincent was a fraud and I’m not hearing differently.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 5 August 2019 22:55 (four years ago) link
Greil like to call a lot of female musicians frauds
the NYT piece winking at materialism and fashion labels feels weird with this all-female group, idk
― omar little, Monday, 5 August 2019 22:59 (four years ago) link
I don't care about this band (or St. Vincent) at all but that is an incredibly bad take. It second-guesses the relationship between Brownstein and Clark in a gross, presumptive way, rather than engaging with the work itself. And calling a band a "fraud", what does that even mean? That she didn't actually produce the record, or she doesn't make her own music or have her own ideas? lol
xp
― Οὖτις, Monday, 5 August 2019 23:01 (four years ago) link
not to mention recycling hoary (and incorrect) tropes priveleging "authenticity" (she's an "image", OH NO!) and ad hominem attacks ("oh the NYT critics like her and she obviously thinks she's SO smart! I better cut her down to size")
blech
― Οὖτις, Monday, 5 August 2019 23:03 (four years ago) link
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― frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 5 August 2019 23:04 (four years ago) link
idk why I'm reading this thread tbh, might be because I've always found ILM's collective pants-wetting over this band totally mystifying (see also: REM, Husker Du)
― Οὖτις, Monday, 5 August 2019 23:04 (four years ago) link
really like "The Center Won't Hold"
― Dan S, Monday, 5 August 2019 23:06 (four years ago) link
a metric source that gets thrown around here a lot, so...monthly Spotify listenersSleater-Kinney: 370,000St Vincent: about 1.5 million
I love both and I know SV is the bigger name these days, but that's a bit surprising given where SK are at in the promotion cycle.
Been avoiding the pre-release singles and most of the noise. Looking forward to hearing the album.
― maffew12, Monday, 5 August 2019 23:08 (four years ago) link
xp Call the Doctor and Dig Me Out were exciting to hear for the first time I thought
― Dan S, Monday, 5 August 2019 23:14 (four years ago) link
lol at outic acting like Sleater Kinney, REM, and Husker Du fandom is some quirk of ILM like taking Big & Rich seriously or something
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 5 August 2019 23:15 (four years ago) link
xp also felt that way about Chronic Town, Murmur, Metal Circus, Zen Arcade, New Day Rising
― Dan S, Monday, 5 August 2019 23:17 (four years ago) link
if you go back to like 2004 era ILM i'm sure there were plenty of posts dismissive of SK in a "ew, girl bands are so lame!" kind of way
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 5 August 2019 23:19 (four years ago) link
I mean, a lot of people say the job of a producer is to become a temporary band member.
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 5 August 2019 23:20 (four years ago) link
They (in fact it was Janet, iirc) sought her out as a collaborator. If the record had been billed as "Sleater-Kinney / St. Vincent" or "Sleater-Kinney featuring St. Vincent" or "Sleat Kincent" there would likely be very little hand-wringing over what St. Vincent did, when, how, and why.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 5 August 2019 23:30 (four years ago) link
That Uncle Greil take is gross.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 5 August 2019 23:31 (four years ago) link
my goodness imagine what Brian Eno did to Talking Heads!
lol
― Dan S, Monday, 5 August 2019 23:32 (four years ago) link
What I hear so far is a producer stealing the voice of people better than she is so that she’ll still be appearing In the fashion pages when they’re no longer competition.
this is incredibly gross
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 5 August 2019 23:32 (four years ago) link
Tina Weymouth stuck around and got in some excellent digs at Byrne and Eno, Janet should have stayed and done the same.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 5 August 2019 23:33 (four years ago) link
the yoko ono bullshit about Clark is lame. Another producer with another band comes on board and changes the sound and they wind up sparking their creativity. Or maybe it's a poor match. whatever the case, the band's agency remains. In this case she's brainwashed them and oh no the expensive accessorizing.
― omar little, Monday, 5 August 2019 23:43 (four years ago) link
That sneaky Annie Clark, how dare she bring any of her own musical personality to the table
― thewufs, Monday, 5 August 2019 23:44 (four years ago) link
ve always found ILM's collective pants-wetting over this band totally mystifying
What a perfect metaphor to use for a female band, can I borrow it? Thanks!
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 5 August 2019 23:44 (four years ago) link
The other Janet Weiss would have had something to say about that.
― ☮ (peace, man), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 00:09 (four years ago) link
Greil Marcus is such a weirdo.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 00:25 (four years ago) link
I looked up my first ilx post from 2002 because of that ilx anniversary thread and was a tad confused why I was a bit mean about him. Now I am remembering.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 00:26 (four years ago) link
worst movie of the year
Greil like to call a lot of female musicians fraudsthe NYT piece winking at materialism and fashion labels feels weird with this all-female group, idk
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 00:54 (four years ago) link
and it's not exactly a stretch to say they were pretty consistently against that kind of thing on album after album
― j., Tuesday, 6 August 2019 00:56 (four years ago) link
oh noes a band figuring out how to sell/stream albums in the 2010s has to rethink its strategy!
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 00:59 (four years ago) link
i think it's a fair point to question for a band who were once pretty well defined by something other than strategizing market success
― j., Tuesday, 6 August 2019 01:02 (four years ago) link
i just don't think coming up with a band image is really similar...even if they credit some people who also happen to own a fashion line.
also i guess i never thought of S-K's feminism as being against idk wearing certain types of clothes or crafting a consistent aesthetic. i'm really not sure what the extraneous bullshit surrounding this is supposed to signify. i just don't believe a male band would catch the same flak.
― omar little, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 01:05 (four years ago) link
y'all are treating the marketing of the album as if it were commensurate with how it was created. The album might suck! But all you dudes are getting weird on me.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 01:05 (four years ago) link
and I'll repeat: in the last three weeks it's been dudes who have this precious idea of what S-K should sound like.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 01:06 (four years ago) link
I wanna go on record saying having read that Marcus blurb, I thought it was subtly sexist and paternalistic. I don’t know if we’re in a place as a culture to have a conversation about why but I feel it’s important to say it. It’s what I feel and I think it warrants expression.
― 60... 90... 120 Minute IPA (morrisp), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 01:07 (four years ago) link
I am trying to figure out his issue with Annie Clark being a "fraud". So laughably cringetake.
Brownstein has been pretty styley for awhile now. This shouldn't be surprising.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 01:09 (four years ago) link
xp lol
― j., Tuesday, 6 August 2019 01:13 (four years ago) link
xpost maybe because the women who aged with SK can also afford to wear better clothes now and take an interest in clothes/image as another facet of expression/art.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 01:14 (four years ago) link
"I don’t know if we’re in a place as a culture to have a conversation about why but I feel it’s important to say it. It’s what I feel and I think it warrants expression" :) lol
― Dan S, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 01:16 (four years ago) link
I love Annie Clark, I think all of her albums are excellent and she's a wonderful songwriter, producer, guitarist, and one of my favorite people in music. But I meant the interjections about her disliking the lyrics and trying to get them to change them...it just comes across a bit weird in that write up.
― akm, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 01:16 (four years ago) link
as an artistic criticism 'fraud' is usually directed at someone whose work has garnered praise and might be credited to be superficially attractive or even convincing but fundamentally does not have the substance or claim to innovation that real/serious art ought to have. i don't really know marcus' sense for the sort of music st vincent got established behind, but if i had to guess i would say it's not even in his ballpark, so it would not be a surprise if he were hostile to it. or maybe he's not fond of her david byrne association?
― j., Tuesday, 6 August 2019 01:18 (four years ago) link
does marcus hate byrne?
― akm, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 01:19 (four years ago) link
i have no idea, maybe he likes him but disliked her careering off him
― j., Tuesday, 6 August 2019 01:22 (four years ago) link
I'm intrigued by this one. It's kind of a bummer how their reputation basically collapsed after JW left (I think that break was possibly even more acrimonious than she let on in her occasional interviews on the subject), but they were too great to be dismissed based on that alone and i'm always ready to give them a chance.
― omar little, Monday, 22 January 2024 17:28 (two months ago) link
this one doesn't have that feeling where you're trying to talk yourself into it or "oh isn't this an interesting direction" i just like it like it
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 January 2024 17:31 (two months ago) link
yeah the album feels more natural, they don't appear to be trying to compensate for anything or really 'trying something new', it's just got a bunch of good songs.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 22 January 2024 19:21 (two months ago) link