TOOL - C/D!?

Guy Fieri is actually good

Flavortown is his penis. I get it now

https://media.giphy.com/media/uPfXDfm2QrACk/giphy.gif

Lol

Amazingly powerful Rigs of Dad energy coming from that pic of Guy F Sam H and MJK

Christ I read that as MLK for a second and was wondering what goddamn universe I was in.

Here in the darkest timeline anything is possible

any time this thread is bumped, it's from people who don't like tool. fun times.

I freaking love Tool, and they're one of my favorite rock/metal bands. But I don't have the energy to defend their musicality and artistic merit against the barrage of constant criticism here. They're pop at their core, and write music no more or less "intellectual" than most other pop bands or groups catering to specific audiences and emotional frequencies.

Dozens of other acts are lauded here unironically and enthusiastically with equal or far worse lyrical content. I think perhaps they might not be "fashionable" enough anymore for ILM (if they ever were?)

Yeah, it's probably telling that when I saw this thread at the top of the New Answers page for a few days in a row I just naturally assumed one of the members had done or said something very unwoke

i was a big tool fan before maynard’s response to the sexual assault accusation. i even think some of his lyrics are good (“jimmy”). “aenema” is still pretty dumb

i actually do like tool but only for an hour or so every year or two

New song is pretty damn Tool-y.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7DfQMPmJRI

the lack of evolution is almost impressive

Yeah, that's not great - written by a Tool app.

I'm not a Tool connoisseur by any stretch of the imagination, but this sounds gentler, proggier and (in the intro, at least) more reliant on superannuated electronica and 'exotic' downtempo tropes, which is fine by me.

Thievery Corporation is the name I was looking for.

I don't know how many times I need to say I like Tool octobeard

but also they are ridiculous and annoying

like Zappa, who I'm sure they are big fans of

as far as evolution, eh I don't know, they have a distinct sound and they put an album out maybe once a decade at best so why not give people Tool?

I can't really imagine this band evolving in any way that would be good

just like....get a new guitar tone or find a different way to end a song.

lol I'm not sure how any of their songs end!

Band name implies that if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

i would like to recommend everyone in this thread listen to the new slipknot record instead (out friday)

i listened to the new song twice and it got "the pot" stuck in my head instead

as far as evolution, eh I don't know, they have a distinct sound and they put an album out maybe once a decade at best so why not give people Tool?

But you've got to give people a least a slight variation or what's the point? There was a definite if not dramatic evolution with each of their albums up to Lateralus (the purest expression of their aesthetic imo), but they seem to have stopped there.

Tool have also announced details on a deluxe, limited-edition CD version of Fear Inoculum that “features a 4-inch HD rechargeable screen with exclusive video footage, charging cable, 2 watt speaker, a 36-page booklet and a digital download card.” A vinyl release is supposedly forthcoming as well.

Having said that the new song is in no way bad, and maybe the album includes like a Trap experiment or something.

xpost to self

there are some beautiful stretched out moments on 10,000 days that i don't think they were capable of on lateralus—eternal looping groove of "jambi," the "wings for marie" suite being this constant build out of and back into silence, "right in two" is just a very nice song—but otherwise otm. new song is evidence of what the last perfect circle record suggested—that maynard's vocal melodies have gotten awfully static, and i can't tell if that's something i'd like if i adjusted to it more or if it's actually boring

xp to chap

It's likely this is the final Tool album.

But you've got to give people a least a slight variation or what's the point?

Maybe the point is that you've honed an aesthetic and are exploring different corners/edges of it. Maybe Tool really wants to be the progressive metal version of Huey Lewis and the News and the wider fandom is okay with that.

they say the heart of rock n' roll's in your anus

If this is shit
Please let me go

xpost I thought that's where our third eye was?

squeegee your third eye. i get it now.

I am just a worthless liar
I am just an imbecile
I will only complicate you
Trust in me and fall as well

We are bound by all the rest
Like the same phone number
All the same friends
And the same address

i'd love to hear a Tool album that is a lot less /r/im55andthisisdeep/ and a lot more /r/collapse

Slightly NSFW album cover

lol

Haha.

like Zappa, who I'm sure they are big fans of

I can't stand Zappa. This might sound shallow, but the fact he has never had a psychedelic experience certainly plays out in his music, at least to my ears. His entire oeuvre just sounds so try hard and hollow. Tool is nothing like Zappa, but I see where you're coming from.

Echoing others here, new song sounds like less intense, more nicely produced Tool, and recycles a number of musical tropes both vocally and instrumentally that have been used in the past on various albums. Was hoping for something a little more original or a progression of their sound (a la Slowdive or Portishead or how 10,000 Days progressed after Lateralus) but I'm afraid it's gonna turn out to be more of a "Syro". The song is still good though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7EpUu2ROsU

I can't stand Zappa. This might sound shallow, but the fact he has never had a psychedelic experience certainly plays out in his music, at least to my ears. His entire oeuvre just sounds so try hard and hollow.

Yes, where would music be without psychedelic experiences? Why, we'd only be left with people like James Brown, Ravi Shankar, and Sun Ra, and we certainly wouldn't have all those Blue Cheer-lite private press LPs no one ever listens to twice. The horror!

Also--and not accusing you of having a knee jerk response to Zappa, who you may legitimately hate--but I have found that a lot of people who view Zappa this way tend to have a very shallow impression of his work. Not to derail here, but how much of it have you heard?

You have fallen into (or set?) the most common Zappa trap. If you don't like it, you just haven't listened to the right things, or listened to it right. And if you *do* like it, well, the joke's on you, because he's not taking it very seriously, hence all the stupid humor. It's double secret ironic. My most musically adept friend posits that Zappa knew he didn't have the chops for jazz or classical, and resented the realization that mere rock was his strong suit (whether or not you think he's good at it). Hence the cynicism and seething contempt Zappa had for everything and everybody.

You have fallen into (or set?) the most common Zappa trap. If you don't like it, you just haven't listened to the right things, or listened to it right. And if you *do* like it, well, the joke's on you, because he's not taking it very seriously, hence all the stupid humor. It's double secret ironic. My most musically adept friend posits that Zappa knew he didn't have the chops for jazz or classical, and resented the realization that mere rock was his strong suit (whether or not you think he's good at it). Hence the cynicism and seething contempt Zappa had for everything and everybody.

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That's not the trap. The trap is believing a person with the work ethic and catalog of Zappa could ever possibly be "not taking it very seriously" despite what he wants you to believe

I also won't try to claim that Zappa's jazz-y or modern classical stuff rivals either the work of Wayne Shorter or Pierre Boulez, but to say he "didn't have the chops" for either is absurd

He had chops, or could compose chops, galore. But he never could have, er, swung it as a jazz leader a la Miles or whomever. And I don't know what his reputation is among classical cats, but I can't believe they take him seriously. (Maybe some do?) My "not taking it very seriously" jibe is him applying all that intellectual rigor and work ethic to songs called "Lick My Love Pump" with goofy singing and sound effects and really, really shallow satire or whatever. But obviously he's got his fans!

lol work ethic

Yes, where would music be without psychedelic experiences? Why, we'd only be left with people like James Brown, Ravi Shankar, and Sun Ra, and we certainly wouldn't have all those Blue Cheer-lite private press LPs no one ever listens to twice. The horror!

Yeah yeah I knew this would be the blow back. I guess my point, now that I think about it more, is that Zappa always seemed like a supremely gifted virtuoso, but a profoundly lacking composer - ersatz even. I really don't feel he's done anything musically original. I've listened to a number of releases across the 60's-80's. His best song IMHO is Valley Girl and the closest thing he ever got to defining culture rather than reflecting it back in his sonic image. Joe's Garage was funny for a bit on first listen, but is incredibly disposable, which given its sprawling self indulgent execution, is kinda sad.

I'm also not much of a fan of Ravi Shankar and Sun Ra for what its worth, and listen more to James Brown's disciples than the man himself.

We're getting a bit off topic here though

True. Happy to discuss further on one of the many Zappa threads. But before we get back to Tool, I can't let this slide:

I really don't feel he's done anything musically original

What music do you know of that sounds anything like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zprYyWMcUGY

What music do you know of that sounds anything like this?

The only thing that makes that piece interesting is the instrumentation and the treatments of the sounds. The actual melodies and rhythms are super basic; any halfway decent large jazz ensemble of note stomps that shit into the ground. Especially since there's no counterpoint or melodic criss-crossing; it's a sequence of discrete musical events.

And yes, I have listened to a shit-ton of Zappa. I even saw him live on his final tour.

Maynard and Zappa share many lyrical unfunny-joke tropes, but I hear zero other similarities.

If Zappa wrote Ozzy's lyrics in a Sabbath/King Crimson supergroup they might sound like Tool.