If you actively dislike Creedence Clearwater Revival, then I can never respect anything you have to say about anything.

― lycanthrope electrif (Pashmina), Thursday, February 17, 2011 2:36 PM (eight years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Don't know if this is the same performance, but pretty incredible:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azt-0StLZOk

That album looks great. Has a cover of one of my all-time favorite Wilson Pickett jams, “Ninety-Nine and a Half ( Just Won’t Do).” Looking forward to listening.

Hey, instrumental break on “Born On The Bayou” sounds like “Lady Godiva’s Operation.”

They are definitely bumping up against some of VU and the Dead's wilder moments.

It really is great.

For years didn't Fogerty think the band's Woodstock performance was sub par? Or was he just holding a grudge because the Dead's performance forced CCR to go on at like 2am?

Caryn Rose who wrote the review on Pitchfork was going some notebook dumps on Twitter and commented that this general view by many of the acts that their performances were subpar didn't seem to jibe with the recordings

You know who had a great performance at Woodstock that I didn't even know performed Woodstock? Mountain!

Pete Townshend thought Woodstock was The Who's second-worst performance.

Fogerty, or at least whoever it is that signs off on CCR stuff, has loosened up on the Woodstock performance for a while now, as bits and pieces have been coming out legitimately on different CD comps and DVD/Blu-rays since at least the 40th anniversary.

Yes, I think Fogerty thought it wasn't good enough to release.

Actually, it looks like the first tracks surfaced on this 25th anniversary box: https://www.allmusic.com/album/woodstock-three-days-of-peace-music-25th-anniversary-mw0000118155

And Daltrey called it "the worst gig we ever played." Chunks of the Who's set were officially released over the years, but Townshend still nixed a release of the full set back in 1994.

They were tripping against their will for hours while waiting to play (because everything backstage was spiked with acid), but Townshend loved Sly's set, which preceded theirs, later saying, "There's been no better band in history than Sly & The Family Stone."

Also, it looked like the Who wouldn't get paid. Artists who refused to play without their money were threatened by the organizers (presumably, Michael Lang) that an announcement would be made from the stage along the lines of, "the Who is here, but they won't play for you until they get paid!" The Who said, "Go on. Say it. Piss off half a million people, and see what happens." So the Who got their dough.

xxxp

There was a video circulating a few years ago. I know I had it, so sometime late 00ies early teens.
Seemed to be pretty noisy, raucous and stuff.
Not sure who filmed it. Was it part of the footage that was shot then made into the film, just left out or was it someone else?
THink i probably still have it just not sure which disconnected hard drive it would be on.

I'm seeing there is also talk of releasing audio from the Royal Albert Hall a few months later too. THink there is already a recording that has claimed to be from there but not sure if its mislabeled.
Would love some more earlier live stuff from 67 or 68. There area few tracks on the s/t cd from a few years ago .
I think what's on the Bayou country is a bit later though.

There was a video circulating a few years ago. I know I had it, so sometime late 00ies early teens.
Seemed to be pretty noisy, raucous and stuff.
Not sure who filmed it. Was it part of the footage that was shot then made into the film, just left out or was it someone else?

Those probably were outtakes from the film. A few songs have popped up as bonus features, and I think some other clips have been bootlegged.

I wrote about the Woodstock performance.

Well done, Phil.

“We’re having a multitude of problems. I’m sure you don’t want to hear about ‘em”

Great review.

Yeah, the sound seems off at the beginning of “Born on the Bayou”, which is a shame as it is one of my favorite intros in all of music.

that was great!

this kills so much

CCR rules.

Still digging this.

This is some good shit but really it sounds like '68 Captain Beefheart to me, not every live band in the '60s sounded like the VU or the Dead! :)

CCR is just as distinctive as any of those bands, this sounds like CCR

yeah idk Beefheart seems like the wrong point of comparison - he hated grooves!

MIrror man seems pretty groove orientated, TMR sounds a bit more angular, I thought there wasa soul influence creeping in on Decals that became pretty clearly overt on Clear Spot.
Safe as Milk and Strictly Personal both seem pretty groove orientated, particularly the latter.

I found that the early live sets I had by man from 1970 in Germany really reminded me of the MIrror Man type sound.

Need to get this

he hated grooves, he said so himself repeatedly!

he’s bothered by the fact that its practitioners stick to what he calls “the mama heartbeat” – the steady unvarying rhythmic pulse that he’s been working subtle variations on, snaking his way around, syncopating sinuously or avoiding altogether for 15 years.

“I think that beat is related to fascism, I really do. It’s so fixative, so hypnotic. And they make the stuff so synthesized – to where it’s dangerous to the heart, I mean, faster-than-the-heart disco – some of that disco is dangerous! It doesn’t mean it won’t sell! But then again, sugar sells, which I think is extremely dangerous!”

Looks like there was some discussion of Woodstock Choogle upthread eleven years ago.

I thought there wasa soul influence creeping in on Decals

Where?

B-b-but what about the Howlin’ Wolf influence?

There was a soul influence on "Safe As Milk" but I can't hear on "Decals".

he hated grooves, he said so himself repeatedly!

― Οὖτις

he did! also, he lied a lot, and he had a fucking great drummer who was more than a little responsible for his sound!

here's a 11 minute live version of "rollin' and tumblin'" from 1968. try and tell me there's no swamp blues choogle here!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS-iJtRFpZo

What I hear as a soul influence is on several tracks on the Decals lp. I need to listen to the lp again before pointing to exact moments that stand out to me but it's something I remember noticing every time I hear it.

Also the quote from van vliet talking about repetitive beats would appear to come from late 70s and reference disco. Would think that gave him a long time to rethink his history which he seemed to do constantly anyway. Disco beat was a lot stiffer than an r'n'b groove wasn't it?

You're right that he started doing that mama heartbeat routine ("I don't want my heart to attack me!") for interviewers in the late 70s but I seem to remember John French saying he'd been railing against 4/4 for years before that.

I should probably say that Decals is something of a continuation of the TMR sound but minus a guitarist but other influences are coming in. & I keep hearing something in the mix that sounds like it comes from soul. It's an element that's present rather than an overt 'this is a soul track' which seems semi overt at least on Clear Spot.

1:groove is relentless & formidable
2:could be 2 x as long & still great
3:no matter how loud you turn this up, it could still go 1 louder if poss:

― Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Sunday, August 4, 2019 9:41 AM (five days ago) bookmarkflaglink

So you're saying they should have kept on chooglin'....

In which case I agree.

Thought exercise: what if CCR never stopped chooglin’

but chooglin by nature is eternal

This whole time I was thinking about it like chooglin’ is a CCR activity, like Fogerty was asking the others to keep on going.

but really, maybe this was just a plea for others to keep on chooglin’...maybe he knew CCR wouldn’t be able to keep on doing it for much longer, so he was trying to recruit new participants?

I prefer this latter explanation

then wouldn't he have said, "can anybody out there choogle?". The performance I thought was clearly revelling in the eternal choog. The band, the audience, everyone. The Woodstock show didn't need to be released because it has always been with us.

Some say this was the “song for everyone” that he references on green river

All that 1969 output...many are saying he knew the end of CCR was nigh, he knew he had to start a movement (a Revival?) to ensure the continuity of the chooglin’

This is all so fucked up

we're here. it happened.

omg

if you need to collect yourself, there's a bathroom on the right

I’m on my way to work. I have to work all day, like this

I’ll just calmly explain the situation to my boss, he’ll definitely understand

he knows as well, of the bathroom

Next time you have to go to the bathroom, just tell your boss you have to go choogle. they'll get it.

Where's Karl? Oh, he had to go choogle, he'll be back in a few.

Does anybody remember chooglin?

like that Aerosmith album, "Chooglin on Bobo"?