PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

Not quite what was said, but this is telling.

if you don't know where they're coming from then I can see this would seem like a stretch

xp will those of us who can snuggle the info out to fellow citizens get threadbanned?

genuinely unsure as to whether there's a typo there

LDs rather than Tories, that's a given. I mean I wouldn't go as far as saying Nazi Party rather than Tories but...

Oh ffs just deport me already

looking at holistic solutions for this near dead patient, they are both the same disease imo. I couldn't bring myself to give LD a vote if someone put a gun to my head.

if you don't know where they're coming from

Goes both ways, don't you think?

I'd vote UKIP if it meant a Tory lost their seat tbh.

If your constituency was a marginal, though? Zac Goldsmith won his seat back with a margin of 45. How would you vote if you’d lived in Richmond Park in 2017?

it's a toughie I suppose. I didn't even start voting until 2015 so wtf do i know?

Goes both ways, don't you think?

no!

Then we're likely not talking about the same thing.

Calz I voted LD in 2010 in a super safe Labour seat like a complete moron, can you ever forgive me?

the French threads welcome all those who share the values of the République, in detesting everything

anyway when I talked about the EU as a project of peace, I meant in stopping another pan European war, not specifically the Ireland-Northern Ireland peace process, though that too!

re: Richmond - depends on the Lib Dem candidate and their views were on what the Lib Dems have been up to since Clegg, and of course their manifesto. They would have to be a Lib Dem from the left for me to even consider switching from Labour. xps

Like Matt I am in a strong Lab constituency. Besides all that though I get the sense that socially liberal Tories in most those marginals are the ones who will be doing more of that kind of tactical voting. Switching that question to Labour voters is just LJ bullshitting like he usually does.

How bad would the LDs have to be to risk an MP like Zac “Sadiq Khan did 7/7 lol jk” G getting in?

I for one welcome this emerging Whizzer & Frites board rivalry and think we need more of it not less.

this current iteration of LibDems are more loathsome than the tories to some extent, because they still do that faux surprise response when being accused of not being nice for backing immoral + deadly policies. I just really hate the bastards, to borrow a phrase it would be like crawling through a corridor of vomit for me to enter that polling booth and vote for them

I would do it if I was absolutely certain it would get a Tory out, otherwise the shame and guilt would eat me up and I might end jumping in front of a tube train.

Richmond Park is a weird anomaly really bc stance on Heathrow expansion has been as important as stance on Brexit, perhaps more so.

The APPG report on the TOEIC / immigration scandal is quite flawed imo but gives an insight into how the twin effects of hostile policy / policy interpretation and rank incompetence can combine to land the government in trouble. I can only see that intensifying under a Johnson inner circle as ideological and sloppy as the one he has put together. If Patel can't be bothered to go through the legal niceties about registering her own potential conflicts of interest, idk how long it's going to be before her decisions are up for judicial review. Should Johnson manage to solidify his position with an election, i could imagine an ongoing battle with the courts being one of the main themes of his tenure, ultimately leading to attempts to weaken oversight. A lot of groundwork has been done by the press already in painting the judiciary as out of touch elites standing in the way of democratic decisions.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5aa7ae58266c07fe6b48eb76/t/5d2f89915464d80001bff02c/1563396499651/Report+of+the+APPG+on+TOEIC-18+July+2019.pdf

gyac i know people who have voted for the tories and Ukip and I know they are only subhuman scum.. jokes obv ... it's complex and it would be a waste of energy to be judgemental. I'd much rather be judgemental against politicians voting records, not citizens. And your own tactical voting record is none of my fucking business!

extremely here for this inter-GB-FRA board bouef

comment dit-on « flag post » en français ?

La Beouf plz, if we're going to misspell it properly.

« Alerter les modérateurs » comes closest. Pun gets lost in translation, alas.

mdr

Every single time I hear news out of France I think "wow, they're almost as big a mess as the UK is at this point".

Not quite there yet but.

lol no

The UK wishes it had half the social(ist) model France has been enjoying for decades.

Well that goes without saying, but said model's getting enthusiastically chipped away at right now. The shit that's getting authorized in re: police brutality is pretty scary, too.

Said model is getting reshuffled rather than dismantled, in part because like all things it costs money and there's only so much an extra tax hike on the top 1% can achieve (see Hollande's tragically counterproductive attempt). Until an international solution is achieved (likely never), a balance needs to be struck and deals with the devil must be made. Tout le reste est littérature.

To be clear, no such balance has been even remotely attained in the UK, where le capitalisme sauvage is a default doctrine and has been for ages.

alright bouef daddy

Said model is getting reshuffled rather than dismantle

Hmmm, feel like I've heard this line somewhere before...

As a side note, a bœuf can also mean a (band) jam.

Not a convincing counter-argument given the current situation in France. Unless you believe the status quo ought to be maintained?

xp

Andrea Jenkyns was left with whiplash and concussion after she fell from the chair she was swinging on during a meeting.

The Tory MP fell off her chair and knocked her head on the corner of a radiator during a full staff meeting on Tuesday.

"I'm so accident prone," she said.

"I was swinging on my chair like I normally do and fell backwards.

wait so tipping yr chair dangerously far back is called "swinging on your chair" by some tory fools ppl?

oh great let's make yet another fucking thread about tipping

besides the disastrous secularism, the well-ensconced far right and the racial politics p much every aspect of the French political situation is preferable (as is the situation in most other rich European countries because its such a low bar)

but I can see being more optimistic abt the UK than France in terms of the left

First post: otm.

Second post: I highly doubt it, but here's to hoping.

Every single time I hear news out of France I think "wow, they're almost as big a mess as the UK is at this point".

Foreign writing on France, especially English-language writing, is a good way to get a non-hostile view of what's happening in France.

Seriously French people, come back when you're teetering on the precipice with the rest of the world laughing at you.

Don't really consume much of that squire, this is all from my French fiancee's friends/side of the family.

xpost

The French will generally have you believe they're living in a dictatorial hellscape, regardless of who's in power. That tends to clear up once they've spent a few years abroad.

French people always say everything is a horrid mess: on déteste tout ! before taking a long holiday in the French countryside.
xp lol yes

Every country wants to be a special little dystopia ime, you should hear Portuguese ppl talk about Portugal.

That being said, the French ppl I know here in London seem to be, amongst my foreign lot, the ones least likely to have anything good to say about the situation there (suppose if they did they'd move back).

Anyway, the upshot of this is I should disregard all sources both foreign and French? I guess I can get with that.

How tf did I leave this thread for a while and then return to find the French have colonised it?! Usually all I miss is Blobbyposting or comrade alphabet trolling.

Also next iteration of this thread should surely have “____ calmly as I normally do” as the title.