CocoRosie member goes to "Kill Whitey" Ironic dance parties and gets called out by brainwashed.com as racist

Yeah that's why I bumped this; I was going to give Chance a chance and then I saw CocoRosie listed among the guest artists and was like ☮️

lol, give Chance a peace

ahahahahahahahahaha

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFD9juCW4AAWBxC?format=jpg

This seems like a bad idea

Not in a country where this kind of thing happens:

https://www.lemonde.fr/afrique/article/2019/10/04/au-college-de-france-francois-xavier-fauvelle-brise-les-cliches-sur-l-afrique_6014181_3212.html

Maybe they should invite Cocorosie to the Collège de France

i never understood this band

xp your point is that fauvelle is white ?

thought it was :

Un professeur dans une université américaine s’étonne de constater cette majorité de « mâles blancs et âgés », inconcevable dans le milieu universitaire anglo-saxon, où enseignent certains des plus grands intellectuels du continent.

Yep.

ah okay. will actually read article next time

"i never understood this band"

their first album has always been pretty good. I've not actually paid attention to anything since.

Is it...possible that CocoRosie are unaware of the racial connotations of the term "shine"?

New album, new song/video.

https://static.stereogum.com/uploads/2019/10/Cocorosie-Put-The-Shine-On-1572439333-640x640.jpg

hasta la vista, rosie

lol phil

They apparently have a new album and this is part of the press guff:

"(They) have released seven albums....each one inspiring controversy and debate in equal amounts to praise; such is their fearlessness and willingness to take risks with their art. This strong creative vision runs through every aspect of their work - from videos to live performances utilizing theatrical costumes and make-up - which they create alongside each new body of songs."

Amanda Palmer goes into the Jeff Goldblum fly machine with Grimes and hits the "divide by two" button.

https://www.hollandfestival.nl/en/interview-with-bianca-casady-from-cocorosie

‘As stated in the first tenet of Future Feminism; ‘The subjugation of women and the earth is one and the same.' In general, our feminism is strongly earth-centered with an unceasing reverence for nature. We see the body as sacred. We are currently interested in a vision of re-wilding as a broader concept both for the planet and for female beings. We were raised with a particular moral compass regarding cosmetic surgery and the transfiguration of the natural body which we have carried forward into our adult lives and in turn, our political perspectives. When we see for example how some women believe testosterone will make a women’s body stronger and therefor better, that’s worrying. It also appears to us that many middle class Western families would nowadays prefer to have a diagnosed trans child than simply a ‘dyke’ or a ‘faggot’. We believe that radical self-acceptance is true feminism and that much of the problem which needs to be addressed is society’s rejection and oppression of female bodies.

Regarding our view on surgery, it is not a dogmatic stance that rejects modern innovation, it’s the ethics of how we use these modern innovations and ultimately who is profiting and being harmed by them. Women and girls are being stripped of their wilderness. This view does not make us trans exclusionary radical feminists. This terminology, “TERFS” is being used to silence women who have a dissenting view on current identity politics. The dissenting voice and a kaleidoscope of multifarious perspectives in a healthy, uncensored discourse is in our opinion essential to reaching the most enlightened and humanly compassionate ideas and goals. Silencing, censoring and disenfranchising women with differing points of view is blatant misogyny and we see it as part of the milieu of the modern witch hunt.’

Oh who's surprised? NOT ME.

"not this" would have been a surprise and it sounds like they were born into it too

funny thing is I was onboard with the first paragraph despite the art blurb buzzwordiness of it all until they got to the surgery part and it was like here we go

woof

hard to think of a less kaleidoscopic movement than terfism though

These girls live in France iirc and would not know that most American families who are DoorDashing to keep the electricity on would probably rather have a “faggot” than have to deal with the tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars of medical costs involved in transitioning a trans child

this is nuts, I was just in the process of c&ping those two paragraphs myself. fucking TERFs

Absolute goofery

the statement that TERF is misogynistic is definitely a thought-terminating cliche used amongst the TERF community which just goes to prove that any label with utility that exists for more than 5 minutes will eventually be abused en masse by people who are seeking to shield themselves from valid criticism

aren't they friends with Anohni

oh right, in that linked interview, it's right there

too lazy to read, does it say what Anohni thinks of their terfery

"In general, our feminism is strongly earth-centered with an unceasing reverence for nature. We see the body as sacred. We are currently interested in a vision of re-wilding as a broader concept both for the planet and for female beings."

Always thought there was something vaguely fascist about new age Earth mother people who talk about "the body" a lot.

Is that translated from the French? Something might have been lost or mangled.

It's really hard for some people to not offer their opinions on other people's bodies

especially in france am I right

Have to check the French stats vs. the Irish

This terminology, “TERFS” is being used to silence women

if only it worked

this doesn't really surprise me coming from them but it is pretty bizarre in the context of an interview for a performance as part of a festival program curated by anohni, alongside a statement from her about the legislative attacks on trans people. #4 in the 'tenets' here does read as a dogwhistle though: https://www.hollandfestival.nl/en/fututre-feminism

Always thought there was something vaguely fascist about new age Earth mother people who talk about "the body" a lot.

it's whole lot more than something!

i'm not going to bother listening to their new song ("witch hunt", lol) but i recommend looking up the lyrics because it is mostly 'we transphobic and are being silenced!!!' the song

I did listen to it (incognito mode on YouTube so this shitstain doesn't influence my algorithm) and I can confirm it's every bit as bad as you'd expect it to be!

lol it's more than just #4 that's a dogwhistle, the whole fucking Future Feminism thing is gender essentialist garbage to put it lightly

women be shoppin and nurturin

so can we assume that Anhoni, despite trans status, has some not very friendly beliefs about all of this

juliana huxtable also present … by one way to reconcile the contradiction might be that they hold that mtf transition is cool but not ftm

xpost I really am wondering about this now!

I might be and probably am wildly misinterpreting it but the lyrics to “My Lady Story” might hold the answer

she goes on to say in the same interview that she's bound her chest and fantasized about top surgery. I'm an apologist for their music, Ghosthorse & Stillborn was great afaic but that essentialist terfy stuff ain't it

While we should all agree that TERFy shit is bad, I think it’s a real bad look to immediately go “What does their trans/nb friend have to say about this” like all trans people have to constantly live their lives as public spokespeople and accountants for their dumbest friends

Like ANONHI is living ANONHI’s life. They aren’t CocoRosie’s publicist or keeper

While we should all agree that TERFy shit is bad, I think it’s a real bad look to immediately go “What does their trans/nb friend have to say about this” like all trans people have to constantly live their lives as public spokespeople and accountants for their dumbest friends

― kirsten gilla band (Whiney G. Weingarten)

mmmm not sure i personally agree with you but i'm also not interested in debating this

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re: those TERFy paras:

i mean kudos to them for trying to put the "radical feminism" back in TERF ig. it's just... the stuff they're saying is so far removed from my lived experience as a trans person, with the lived experiences of the queer people i know. that's kind of the funny thing, they're suggesting transness as something that erases queer identities and i don't really think of myself primarily as "trans" right now. it's useful only to the extent that people won't fucking shut up about it. i'm trans, sure, but it's more important to me that i'm a dyke, that i'm a faggot, that's a bigger part of who i am, these days.

all of this bullshit about "radical self-acceptance". accept what? that their definition of "woman" is more important than my bodily autonomy? it's goddamn silly. you wind up sounding like the fucking catholics, all of this shit about "acceptance" is the same shit the "natural family planning" people say. i mean under what circumstances does this manifesto consider a hysterectomy _acceptable_?

the only reason I brought it up is that they are all working together on a festival that included this: https://www.hollandfestival.nl/en/fututre-feminism which people pointed out seemed to point to TERF-friendly philosophy. So I thought it was odd that Anhoni would be spearheading it.

I had to google "kill whitey" parties. Another cultural phenomenon I'm happy to have missed.