xxpmind you that awesome carrier bag charge bill (at the cost of taking motability off how many disabled ppl?) is definitely making a big impact on the plastic levels in the oceans and wasn't bs gestural politics at their worst at all. So I can understand why Caroline and the Greens would happily work with Swinson.
― calzino, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 08:29 (four years ago) link
It used to be a Lib Dem seat and they’re still the second polling party. Makes sense for Greens to stand aside.
― gyac, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 09:08 (four years ago) link
and yeah Lucas can't be blamed for one of theirs calling for a LibDem coalition, but to me they will always be much closer to the LibDems then they will admit, I will be proved correct over time capn save a Green!
― calzino, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 09:14 (four years ago) link
whose to say those green votes won't all go to the LibDems?
― calzino, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 09:17 (four years ago) link
not really a challop: in a lib dem/con marginal, voting labour is stupid and wrong (unless they're close enough to flip it)
― imago, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 09:18 (four years ago) link
I didn't realise it was in a libdem/con marginal, but that's twitter for you! Feeding my prejudices!
― calzino, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 09:22 (four years ago) link
the way lib dems are looking atm I'm not sure they count as 'not tory' enough to vote for on tactical grounds
― ogmor, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 09:26 (four years ago) link
years of being the party of christian homophobia and austerity hasn't done their nice image much good.
― calzino, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 09:27 (four years ago) link
bitter pill to swallow but despite disliking them fairly intensely i'd be forced to vote for them if they were the only statistical alternative to a tory mp. this is the time for tactics, not principles
― imago, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 09:29 (four years ago) link
fortunately i live in a safe labour seat, which means i can vote green with impunity ;)
imago...otm?
― gyac, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 09:35 (four years ago) link
I think considering they are a tory proxy coalition in waiting- tactically voting for them is futile.
― calzino, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 09:37 (four years ago) link
they surely wouldn't ally themselves with the tories as they are now (yes, as they have always been, but 'optics' idk)
― imago, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 09:43 (four years ago) link
wanna bet?
― calzino, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 09:44 (four years ago) link
Disliking them 'fairly intensely' not enough, must be with the intensity of a thousand suns.
― How to Book Michael Fish (Tom D.), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 09:45 (four years ago) link
They would ally themselves with the Tories in a heartbeat.
― How to Book Michael Fish (Tom D.), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 09:46 (four years ago) link
risk of coalition is real and quite a few lib dem mps have atrocious voting records
― ogmor, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 09:47 (four years ago) link
yep, the only coalition Swinson has categorically ruled out is a Labour one
― calzino, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 09:49 (four years ago) link
not in any way a fan of lib dems, but pretty sure whatever individuals are in charge, they have been given a huge shock in last 5 years and have serious incentives not to be seen to be working with the tories again for the foreseeable future
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 09:50 (four years ago) link
mind you that awesome carrier bag charge bill (at the cost of taking motability off how many disabled ppl?) is definitely making a big impact on the plastic levels in the oceans and wasn't bs gestural politics at their worst at all.
Don't really see what connects disabled people's motability and plastic bag taxes, Calzino, but yes, the majority of the plastic waste in the oceans is generated by the fishing industry.
How would it work though? The Lib Dems being so anti-Brexit and the Tories all wanting a Brexit of some kind or another?
― Grandpont Genie, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 09:50 (four years ago) link
You are presuming these people actually have ethics, they'd justify by saying they had to prevent a marxist getting into no 10.
― calzino, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 09:52 (four years ago) link
Jettisoning strongly held principles has never stopped them before. I can imagine the scenario, post-Brexit, for the good of the country, we can be a moderating force etc, the same shite they came out with before.
― How to Book Michael Fish (Tom D.), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 09:54 (four years ago) link
xxp, referring to this (original tweet now deleted)https://www.socialistparty.org.uk/pic/medium/23/23957.jpg
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 09:55 (four years ago) link
Yes, Corbyn and McDonnell are the real enemy.
― How to Book Michael Fish (Tom D.), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 09:55 (four years ago) link
Charlie is a long time dead.
― How to Book Michael Fish (Tom D.), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 09:58 (four years ago) link
what principles and incentives would come into play if the lib dems were offered a second ref to go into coalition w the tories
― ogmor, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 10:00 (four years ago) link
no principles, just massive negative incentives
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 10:01 (four years ago) link
if they saw that despite the most heinous shit they cld still get back into govt then i'm not clear what the incentives wld be
― ogmor, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 10:03 (four years ago) link
being a junior partner in a coalition is supposed to be a stepping stone to actually winning, they have found out that it's actually a step off a cliff, they have had their faces rubbed in this point quite effectively
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 10:07 (four years ago) link
still better to have one foot in the game rather than being a nothing party again? these are pols, they love playing the game even if it does betray their own voters or could be damaging for their party.
― calzino, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 10:11 (four years ago) link
if they get into coalition again then the cliff clearly is not so important. the combination of the desperation that comes with knowing they are a generation or more off winning a GE and their becoming almost a single issue party makes them p dangerous
― ogmor, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 10:11 (four years ago) link
come back Charlie, all is forgiven. I swear I take back anything unkind I ever said about him 10 years ago, he seems like a giant next to these minnows.
― calzino, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 10:15 (four years ago) link
but yes, the majority of the plastic waste in the oceans is generated by the fishing industry.
A pedant writes: I believe it's actually the largest percentage of plastic waste (46%). The other 54% is those blue plastic bags that market traders try and foist on you. Those fuckers take 1000 years to rot (and the plastic bags even longer, boom!).
― Ned Trifle X, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 10:29 (four years ago) link
still better to have one foot in the game rather than being a nothing party again?
but from what I can tell right now the only reason any fucker would vote LibDem right now is to stop brexit, or at least I can't imagine many voting LibDem and being ok with that not happening - not saying the party wouldn't be short sighted enough to go for it anyway but it feels super stupid on a tactical level, principles needn't come into it
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 10:39 (four years ago) link
it seems a very bad move for the one-issue stop brexit party to not rule out a coalition with the hard right no deal brexit party. fuck knows what goes on their minds.
xpWhat is needed is a huge trebuchet with the power to catapult all our plastic garbage (+ zombie market traders + libdems) into space. or just ban the plastic ffs!
― calzino, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 10:46 (four years ago) link
the hated Eurocrats of the EU were making progress on that very issue, of course
― Captain ACAB (Neil S), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 10:47 (four years ago) link
my experience of the plastic bags thing is that people now just treat the thicker bags-for-life as disposible (and, half the time, don't pay the 10p for them)
also, i've noticed sainsburys security staff now wear body cameras.
― koogs, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 10:48 (four years ago) link
Apparently Shaved Garfield's profile needs reboosting again a week into a Johnson government how curious
On @BBCr4today tomorrow extended interview with #SteveBannon - recorded at border wall in New Mexico - we discuss the wall, @BorisJohnson, @realDonaldTrump language on race, 2020. pic.twitter.com/O1Inl9pfkm— Jon Sopel (@BBCJonSopel) July 30, 2019
― nashwan, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 10:49 (four years ago) link
The ban on plastic straws has had no effect whatsoever except for victimising disabled people and giving various decision-makers the incorrect satisfaction that they are doing something to help the environment.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 10:51 (four years ago) link
motherfucking OTM!
― calzino, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 10:52 (four years ago) link
i mean you say that like it's not the entire point xp
― another no-holds-barred Tokey Wedge adventure for men (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 10:54 (four years ago) link
I'd love to know how many of these smug green pols walk it like they talk it. i bet they've clocked up some air miles between themselves. There is something that really flares me up about gestural policies that are not making the slightest dint on the problem and often they cost the most to the poorest or the disabled, who generally aren't in the frequent flyers club.
― calzino, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 11:02 (four years ago) link
I mean flying + plastic pollution are 2 separate issues, but i think the straw ban needs to be lifted for disabled people.
― calzino, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 11:04 (four years ago) link
like with NDB prepping there will disabled ppl stockpiling plastic straws in the largest quantities they can afford till 2020. and it isn't because they don't gaf the environment.
― calzino, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 11:09 (four years ago) link
relax, the free market will find a suitable solution
― another no-holds-barred Tokey Wedge adventure for men (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 11:14 (four years ago) link
go for it, you deliveroo using freedom fighters!
― calzino, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 11:17 (four years ago) link
Going into coalition with a Johnson government would destroy the LibDems' electorally for such a long time it would be impossible to imagine them coming back in any significant way. You'd think they be smart enough to rule it out on grounds of self-preservation if nothing else.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 11:23 (four years ago) link
those libdem smarts in full
https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F6ysxtpztusj01.jpg&f=1
― another no-holds-barred Tokey Wedge adventure for men (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 11:25 (four years ago) link
"the combination of the desperation that comes with knowing they are a generation or more off winning a GE and their becoming almost a single issue party makes them p dangerous"
ogmor otm
― calzino, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 11:27 (four years ago) link
thE PArTy oF FisCAl ReSPoNsiBiLiTy
The huge cost of a no-deal Brexit was laid bare on Wednesday as the government announced plans to set aside an extra £2.1bn for preparations including stockpiling of medicines, an extra 500 border officials and a public awareness campaign about disruption.Boris Johnson is ramping up the funding for a no-deal Brexit on 31 October though he claims that reaching a deal with the EU is his preference.The move, announced by Sajid Javid, the chancellor, is designed to show Brussels that the UK is ready and willing to countenance leaving without a deal in three months’ time.Javid will provide a new immediate cash boost of £1.1bn and make a further £1bn available if necessary, taking the total allocation of spending this year alone up to £6.3bn.From that cash injection about £344m will go to border operations; another 500 officers will be added to the 500 already promised this year. The aim is to improve processing of passport applications, increase training for customs staff to help businesses with declarations, and improve readiness for transport disruption around Kent ports.Another £434m will go towards ensuring continuity of vital medicines and medical products, covering freight capacity, warehousing and stockpiling, while £108m will be spent on helping businesses understand the challenges they face.Around £138m is allocated to a new public awareness campaign involving advertising, consular help for Brits living abroad and support for local areas, including Northern Ireland.
Boris Johnson is ramping up the funding for a no-deal Brexit on 31 October though he claims that reaching a deal with the EU is his preference.
The move, announced by Sajid Javid, the chancellor, is designed to show Brussels that the UK is ready and willing to countenance leaving without a deal in three months’ time.
Javid will provide a new immediate cash boost of £1.1bn and make a further £1bn available if necessary, taking the total allocation of spending this year alone up to £6.3bn.
From that cash injection about £344m will go to border operations; another 500 officers will be added to the 500 already promised this year. The aim is to improve processing of passport applications, increase training for customs staff to help businesses with declarations, and improve readiness for transport disruption around Kent ports.
Another £434m will go towards ensuring continuity of vital medicines and medical products, covering freight capacity, warehousing and stockpiling, while £108m will be spent on helping businesses understand the challenges they face.
Around £138m is allocated to a new public awareness campaign involving advertising, consular help for Brits living abroad and support for local areas, including Northern Ireland.
― another no-holds-barred Tokey Wedge adventure for men (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 1 August 2019 08:35 (four years ago) link