2020 Democratic presidential primary

Maybe in a month or two we'll exceed the polling margin of error!

"Suck it, Gillibrand!"

But his reliance on charter flights contrasts sharply with his image as a Rust Belt mayor who embodies frugality and Midwestern modesty.

Is that his image? I thought he was the young hip millennial.

XP <Gillibrand knocks back another glass of Jim Beam>

maybe gillibrand should try chugging fracking fluid like hickenlooper instead, it's clearly working for him

This is so boring and wonky and pragmatic, but probably true nonetheless: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/7/26/8910009/progressive-agenda-popular-decriminalize

Biden’s campaign is gonna be 8 months of rightwing talking points not just against socialized healthcare but govt programs in general & has potential to do a lot of damage not just to any non-Biden nominee but dems for the next 30yrs just an FYI for the “dont sow division” crowd https://t.co/P8FfOO97Nj

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) July 26, 2019

lol like we’ve got 30 years left

it's a conceptual 30 years

Kamala Harris told The Times she doesn’t want to “restructure society” or promise “beautiful sonnet” policies.

I demand universal beautiful sonnets

Robert Frost wrote the last beautiful sonnets iirc

I demand a tax on ugly sonnets, to be ratcheted up annually thereafter with the growth of inflation, at a minumum, until all ugly sonnets are eliminated

I read on the front page of the NYT (I’m old-fashioned, I still read print) that Harris is a pragmatist, not an ideologue. There is nothing ideological about something this convoluted, right? https://t.co/7rzAa6lih5

— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) July 28, 2019

lol that pell grant forgiveness program sure is... catchy

Robert Frost wrote the last beautiful sonnets iirc

Robert Lowell to thread!!

An unaccustomed ripeness in the wood;
move but an inch and moldy splinters fall
in sawdust from the aluminum-paint wall,
once loud and fresh, now aged to weathered wood.
Squalls of the seagulls’ exaggerated outcry,
dimmed out by fog . . . Peace, peace. All day the words
hid rusty fish-hooks. Now, heart’s-ease and wormwood,
we rest from all discussion, drinking, smoking,
pills for high blood, three pairs of glasses—soaking
in the sweat of our hard-earned supremacy,
offering a child our leathery love. We’re fifty,
and free! Young, tottering on the dizzying brink
of discretion once, we wanted nothing,
But to be old, do nothing, type, and think.

oh kamalapaws :(

She is as in a field a silken tent
At midday when a sunny summer breeze
Has dried the dew and all its ropes relent,
So that in guys it gently sways at ease,
And its supporting central cedar pole,
That is its pinnacle to heavenward
And signifies the sureness of the soul,
Seems to owe naught to any single cord,
But strictly held by none, is loosely bound
By countless silken ties of love and thought
To every thing on earth the compass round,
And only by one’s going slightly taut,
In the capriciousness of summer air,
Is of the slightest bondage made aware.

ok finally gonna start reading this thread again

Nah dog Ted Berrigan’s sonnets rock

great, another Berrigan Bro is here to mansplain at us

lmao

hearing this extract in the voice of Darrell/DaRILL from Kids In The Hall

Honestly, the way @PeteButtigieg writes about his time at Oxford in his book essentially disqualifies him from the presidency pic.twitter.com/HrY8nyO22p

— Will Klemperer (@will_klemperer) July 26, 2019

that's a stellar punchline

cosine

Lol, crüt OTM.

The wall surrounding them they never saw;
The angels, often. Angels were as common
As birds or butterflies, but looked more human.
As long as the wings were furled, they felt no awe.
Beasts, too, were friendly. They could find no flaw
In all of Eden: this was the first omen.
The second was the dream which woke the woman.
She dreamed she saw the lion sharpen his claw.
As for the fruit, it had no taste at all.
They had been warned of what was bound to happen.
They had been told of something called the world.
They had been told and told about the wall.
They saw it now; the gate was standing open.
As they advanced, the giant wings unfurled.

--Donald Justice

written at Iowa under the tutelage of Berryman, fwiw

thought u said David Justice at first

daRILL and/or Frederik B

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67401844_10161988361925304_2916171064704761856_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_oc=AQlSW5WABJnu-hLIXnehEh_3_rPfVIDNqRQXnGjkNZ26XS7UoEroLrOBGnRl5OzjK35VPxEnADGXzr3gm1Cs-_HZ&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=a34efc3be742acbdd65977b905b61d1b&oe=5DDA80E7

The real world, if there is such a thing

The buttegieg Oxford thing is a 100% perfect encapsulation of the way in which the humanities there suffer from extreme cultural cringe vs the sciences. I definitely believe he went there with opinions like that. The Harry Potter white tie stuff doesn’t bother me. The last sentence though. Wow. They should send that out in admissions packs after he loses.

The buttegieg Oxford thing is a 100% perfect encapsulation of the way in which the humanities there suffer from extreme cultural cringe vs the sciences.

But he's not saying he quit humanities to do physics, he's saying he discovered at Oxford a more rigorous humanities curriculum than the one he'd previously experienced! Analytic philosophy ain't STEM.

The main thing they teach you at Oxford (especially PPE) is that Oxford is different. In the sense he means here, it’s not. It’s a fiction that is coincidentally extremely advantageous for its alumni to propagate.

dem candiates are really falling over themselves to propose dumb, bad policies huh

Today I'm announcing my plan for a mandatory national service program. Read all about it here: https://t.co/EoE2Qt2Bk6

— John Delaney (@JohnDelaney) July 28, 2019

I do think that at least makes more sense than a tax on non-military families or whatever.

Read the Petey profile in last week's NYT Mag; he uses "model" as a verb like the marketing shitbird he is.

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:42 PM (four days ago) bookmarkflaglink

"Model" has been a verb since the 17th century.

How long has "shitbird" been a noun?

Eliza, ck out the context -- it's total PR/marketing speak

harris releases details on healthcare proposal:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-29/kamala-harris-offers-medicare-for-all-that-keeps-private-plans

Kamala Harris unveiled a new “Medicare for All” plan Monday that’s funded by taxes on Wall Street and preserves a role for private insurers, positioning her between rivals Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden on a contentious issue in the 2020 Democratic presidential race.

Under her proposal, Americans could opt for Medicare Advantage, a program that allows beneficiaries to get coverage from a private insurer. Harris’s plan would put all Americans into Medicare over a 10-year transition period while allowing the participation of private insurance plans under a set of rules.

The California senator said her plan wouldn’t raise taxes on households making less than $100,000 a year -- unlike Sanders’s proposal, which he has acknowledged would require middle-class tax hikes to eliminate out-of-pocket costs. Harris didn’t offer a cost estimate but proposed to help pay for her program with a 0.2% tax on Wall Street stock trades, a 0.1% tax on bond trades and a 0.002% tax on derivative transactions. She said she’d also tax offshore corporate income the same way domestic corporate income is taxed.

slightly better than her dumb Pell Grant idea

should this be the thread for the quickly approaching epic arguments about the candidates' healthcare proposals?

The health care proposal represents a shift from Harris’s earlier support for largely eliminating private insurance, a position many mainstream Democrats have suggested would be politically disastrous in an election against President Donald Trump.

god it's great to see dems stick to their principles for a change instead of just straight-up making craven appeasement their starting position for negotiations

An election is not quite like a negotiation. But I get your point.

i regret to inform the thread that in the upcoming epic arguments about healthcare proposals, i may have to cite public opinion polling that indicates that support for eliminating private insurance is pretty low, even among democratic voters. it all depends on how the question is phrased and the respondent's personal idea of what M4A is.

so many people have jumped on the Medicare for All wagon, but with different versions of it in mind. it's become a very confusing term. some people assume M4A means, inherently, eliminating private insurance. others equate it with the 'public option' (retaining private insurance but making expanding access to Medicare to anyone who wants it). and now there are these hybrid plans, like Harris'.

so now we end up in a confusing situation where some polling seems to indicate widespread support for M4A, which leads some to assume that the majority of people are willing to replace their current insurance with Medicare. but that's not true (at this point)(as i understand)

this is going to be a shitshow.

It's confusing because people are confused -- even Democrats. Many people support one part of M4A and not others.

also just want to mention that i am fully supportive of the evil socialist version of M4A (eliminate private insurance asap). but i don't think i'm in the majority on that, nationally

others equate it with the 'public option' (retaining private insurance but making expanding access to Medicare to anyone who wants it)

This is what I 100% thought everyone meant by it until about three months ago.

Eliza, ck out the context -- it's total PR/marketing speak