PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

Several Tories have said they will VONC Boris, that never happened with May. They'll bottle it, of course.

A VONC won't get through yet because Johnson hasn't really set out what he plans to do, so would-be Tory rebels won't vote against him just yet. They need to be absolutely certain he's serious in going for the No Deal option before they do anything. And even then they might bottle it.

It's also not certain that there won't be abstentions in other parts of the Commons, like the Independents, or that eg Kate Hoey won't vote with the government. The margins are very narrow.

bj's already peeled off ian austin

never heard it called that before

it's what you do with scabs

lol! why would he another Israeli envoy when Priti is already in the cabinet .

getting nicely comfy over here in anticipation of johnson cabinets reaction to the EUs only response to this being a very obvious relief that you're not going to be bothering us like may was every few weeks

also im from an island we all have boats and will be very happy when the sea rises

That’s the plan though, isn’t it? Needs an election, needs to blame it on both the EU and parliament.

And needs to keep not defining Brexit all the while. Negotiations would be counterproductive

yeah - thread above on the perceived strategy seems otm. he has to be hoping that enough of the BXP vote returns to the fold, while... not leaking too many cameroonian liberals AND while LAB leak remain ultras to LDs? iunno - just hope mr seumas milne has a strategy calibrated to win the upcoming GE

His thinking will be he can't possibly be worse at campaigning than May was in 2017 and he's probably right to believe that. Where he's wrong is in the belief it will automatically propel him to victory. The factors that buoyed the Labour vote haven't gone away.

The campaign is going to be a hundred times nastier by the way - he is going to lie through his teeth and calling him out for it isn't necessarily going to cut through. The press will be much more vicious now that they perceive Corbyn as a realistic threat to their man in Number 10.

ugh yeah bout to be newer lows digged by papers...somehow - lots more fawning over Symonds and whatever she's wearing as much a part of it as anything

Ugh just saw an item on C4 about the flurry of Facebook ads being trialled by DomCum.

Not sure how nastier the press can be - not as if they were giving him a free pass last time. But their decline has also been a factor in that election, and that hasn't moved.

Johnson's team is now made up entirely of all the people who have ever been on #bbcqt who have made you tweet the words "Fucking hell, who's that absolute psychopath in the blue suit?" https://t.co/dnsJQLC5CY

— Ally Fogg (@AllyFogg) July 25, 2019

on that train of thought - Johnson's manifesto will be a lot tighter (there better not be anything on social care), and there will be giveaways.

In some ways he should have the election now - does save people from having to witness the fuck-ups. Brexit actually taking place and the UK falling into a deep recession could be the biggest fuck-up of all.

the UK falling into a deep recession could be the biggest fuck-up of all.

Deep recession would bring calls from the Tories for stricter austerity, no? Because a sensible nation must not run itself into debt, but rather must be run like a {choose one: A) business B) household}.

think all guiding principles are out of the window now - it’s all about hanging onto power until such time as the situation rights itself

Xxp Yeah i think every day there's no election called his position probably weakens. Even just after the summer holidays might be leaving it too late.

That said, i've often wondered why tories don't try and have elections in autumn/winter, with fewer hours of daylight depressing turnout probably to their advantage

it is with a heavy heart that i must announce that lilico is at it again pic.twitter.com/fjmiOzziuw

— Cynical Bathtub (@cynical_bathtub) July 25, 2019

rly makes u think

been on it since lunchtime I assume

Inspiring

"coloured" is what my granny would say when she was trying to be pc and she was born in the 1920s. fucking lilico

another banner day for UK liberals showing their arses

The country is facing the gravest crisis since the war. The leader of the Opposition is speaking out ... about ...this. https://t.co/UORsQkis7B

— Gavin Esler (@gavinesler) July 25, 2019

The leader of the opposition responds to the Cabinet changes ... https://t.co/ClgtiNLmrF

— alan rusbridger (@arusbridger) July 24, 2019

Look, giving a shit about working class people is the old politics.

Lolico has a mixed race son so I think he he feels that vindicates him defending any archaic racist terms he feels like defending. it should be the other way round really, but he's a nasty piece of work and a complete moron.

Listening to Evan Davies and some Labour melt talking about how significant it was that Corbyn didn't attack Boris with the correct style of playground insults at PMQ today.

lol I’ve said this before but I kind of agree about the term poc, it’s maybe unfortunate that consensus landed on a term that legit sounds like someone was about to say “coloured ppl” and halfarsedly changed at the last second to a clunky hedging construction because that’s what they think political correctness is

Fuck you Esler, you Edinburgh cunt.

I was just thinking that Chloe Westley was the one name I was surprised not to see!

the heat really got to us on that day when Lolico made us think.

Fuck Evan Davies as well the lame tory prick and corporate arselicker. Earlier he had someone from big aircraft manufacturing saying how great it is that planes are always nearly full these days thus making them much greener and he so weakly challenged the cunt on this transparent hogwash that he might as well not bothered. And then of course his earnest concern trolling about Corbyn not being good at insulting Boris. ffs bring back Eddie Mair to pm.

"People of colour" places the primary emphasis on their being people, while "coloured people" puts the primary emphasis on their color.

Am bizarrely cheered by Francois on Newsnight. They’re going to continue to be headbangers for No Deal, so the maths is never going to work out.

And even if they win the next election I’m not sure how that’s going to help - unless they rout every Remain Tory (seems unlikely) we could be back here again soon. Only thing that might do is getting enough seats to cut the DUP out and then shafting N Ireland, I suppose.

it's absolutely delicious that british tories and northern irish unionists are engineering a united ireland. only upside from brexit that i can see

Brussels has roundly rebuffed Boris Johnson after he laid down tough conditions for the new Brexit deal he hopes to strike over the summer.

Speaking to the House of Commons for the first time as prime minister on Thursday, Johnson reiterated his campaign pledge of ditching the Irish backstop and promised to ramp up preparations for a no-deal Brexit immediately.

“I would prefer us to leave the EU with a deal,” he said. “I would much prefer it. I believe that it is possible even at this late stage, and I will work flat-out to make it happen.

“But certain things need to be clear: the withdrawal agreement negotiated by my predecessor has been three times rejected by this house; its terms are unacceptable to this parliament and to this country.”
Steve Baker declines role in Boris Johnson government – as it happened
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In a phone call later in the day, the European commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, signalled the EU27’s determination to stick with the deal negotiated with Theresa May’s government – which includes the backstop.

“President Juncker listened to what Prime Minister Johnson had to say, reiterating the EU’s position that the withdrawal agreement is the best and only agreement possible – in line with the European council guidelines,” a commission spokesperson said.

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Steve "brexit Hardman" Baker is even too damn tough and uncompromising for this shower of right wing bastardos. Or perhaps he knows this ship isn't seaworthy and will sink like a rock.

as suggested upthread already the plan at this point isn't to get a new deal really

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oops just read about his butthurtness at not getting an important cabinet post. lol RIP brexit hardman.

as suggested upthread already the plan at this point isn't to get a new deal really

yeah of course - this elaborate kabuki from the uk side is fucking infuriating though

also i just enjoy posting shockedpikachu.png

i v much enjoy shocked pikachu in any context yeah

Not sure how nastier the press can be - not as if they were giving him a free pass last time. But their decline has also been a factor in that election, and that hasn't moved.

Their decline has arguably increased, but at the same time they can do a lot worse than 'Stick Him In The Cor-Bin' - and indeed they did to Ed Miliband, who they genuinely believed could become PM. They didn't see Corbyn as a serious threat in 2017 but they will this time, especially with their man in Number 10.

Thought they really went for it after his speech post-Manchester attacks. And looking at that JohnSUN headline today is basically an inverse of CorBIN lol. One hopes it has the same level of impact.

only upside from brexit that i can see

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Scotland also gone too, my friend. Lower rents. Capital flight, maybe? Very de-growth policies here.

Listening to Evan Davies and some Labour melt talking about how significant it was that Corbyn didn't attack Boris with the correct style of playground insults at PMQ today.

I tht Corbyn was p. good and reinvigorated at PMQs y/day but then Boris just went "lol didn't notice a question wifflewaffle Venezuela" or something (not sure, had to turn it off as soon as Boris started tbh) and was immediately crowned the winner by our eight billion horrible pandering commentators who will later be very surprised when something happens and Boris is Officially Bad and say "why didn't anyone say anything sooner?!" so fuck everything.

Also I am the whiniest Brexit-bad remoaniac melt ever (at least on ILX) and still all these fucking FBPEers being outraged every time Corbyn says anything about anything that isn't Brexit can get in the bin.

The right playing divide and conquer pretty nicely, setting everyone else against each other as they order up their microtargeted Facebook ads to be all things to all people. The mixed messaging may not work quite as well at a GE as in a referendum, but it still might not need to in a country with FPTP and a press with 0 interest in holding these people to account.

"Also I am the whiniest Brexit-bad remoaniac melt ever (at least on ILX)"

For the record you are far from that.

his attack on Boris was quite pointed and correct. If leadership is all about zingers in the playground then too bad because hardly anybody is watching this crap anyway!

yeah spacey get in the queue

that spacey queue in full

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