At the risk of stating the obvious, the July 2019 US Politics Thread is horse-sh*t

it's true though that since Republicans in Congress just view Mueller as an Angry Democrat (lol) who was out to get Daddy Trump, they completely overlook important shit from the report that doesn't necessarily even connect directly to the President, such as the little fact that Russian military intelligence did hack the communications of numerous high-profile Democrats and had them systematically disseminated to produce maximum damage to Clinton's campaign (and honestly, I guess that latter issue is somewhat a matter of interpretation but it doesn't change the fact that they illegally hacked Podesta and the DNC and DCCC's comms).

the issue is that they didn't hack the DNC on trump's authorization, even if he was clued into it

xp exactly, there's more to the attack than stuff directly related to Trump campaign colluding, and if you don't know that you're hopelessly clueless & should prob stop following politics

plus, maybe things have changed in the interim but it's well-known by now that the Gore campaign received debate prep materials swiped from the Bush campaign and then turned them over to the FBI.

People keep yielding time to Nunes so that he can play fast and loose with fact.
Well maybe he'll do something useful inadvertently which seems to be about the only good he's ever done innit?
He's a Republican otherwise I might ask if he was ever a decent anything.

Nunes has been pretty ineffective. I think the ranting Republicans on the other committee did better.

what hostile foreign govt's attack?

Have you read the first few pages of the mueller report?

Not the whole thing. Just the handful of summary pages for vol 1

I know you’re keying in on trump’s direct involvement in the Russian hacking efforts (or lack thereof, as the report concludes), but much of Vol 1 of the report summarizes an investigation into that attack, which is ongoing. I think granny was correctly pointing out how slimy it is that republicans could care less about that.

I highly recommend to anyone in the entire world: read the first few pages of each volume. Apparently it’s just me and like 3 other people who have accomplished this insane task

hi!

and i'm noting that if there were similar events but they had benefited a democratic candidate we wouldn't be horrified in fact we'd likely be annoyed at the opposition for making a big deal out of it

I read about 70 pages around a Henry Green novel. Their prose styles have similarities.

Several of the GOP have even buddied up to Russia in the wake of things being uncovered over the last few years too.

and i'm noting that if there were similar events but they had benefited a democratic candidate we wouldn't be horrified in fact we'd likely be annoyed at the opposition for making a big deal out of it

― Mordy, Wednesday, July 24, 2019 2:16 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

Are you actually fucking serious rn

and i'm noting that if there were similar events but they had benefited a democratic candidate we wouldn't be horrified in fact we'd likely be annoyed at the opposition for making a big deal out of it

― Mordy, Wednesday, July 24, 2019 3:16 PM (one minute ago)

gtfo I would not be annoyed at the guy pointing out and laying out the facts that Russians helped Hillary get elected

"Broaden the aperture"--check out the big brain on Adam Schiff.

1) there were similar events, and the Dem candidate reported them to the FBI
2) who cares if "we" would be "horrified", that's totally missing the point. Dems should point out that Repubs have 0 interest in a "report on Russian meddling in the 2016 Presidential election", which is what the Mueller Report was, ie it wasn't a "report on Trump campaign colluding with Russia". For a party that bangs on endlessly about patriotism, this shows hypocrisy; that they don't care about protecting our elections if it may in any way implicate their guy. That their only interest here is to protect their guy, not the country.

you can't really lay out like 4 nested hypotheticals and call it 'noting'

wait wait slow down are you saying the Republicans are guilty of hypocrisy?!????

*grabs smelling salts*

oh shit they might be! i gotta look into this

lol I knew that reaction would come. everyone here knows that's beyond obvious. but Dems often fail to point it out and take them to task on it. this is yet another example.

chutzpacrisy

is my sniglet for the day

you're welcome

The Deplorable Zeroes of Chutzpacrisy

Both Sides Do It at it again.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/8d/Both_Sides_%28Phil_Collins%29.jpg/220px-Both_Sides_%28Phil_Collins%29.jpg

White house lawn, how unpredictable really.
Couldn't he just die , in extreme pain or something.

I’m thinking death on the can, Zinger burger in his hand.

Death on the can
Zinger burger in his hand
You're planning for a war with or without Iran
Building a police state with the Ku Klux Klan

Republican doublethink is scary.
Just listening to the press conference.

Well, this is interesting.

They'd better not miss

It's hard to predict what story comes out of these things, but for what it's worth--and this is Canada, so take it with a grain of salt--when I was in the car after the hearings, the story on Toronto's big all-news station was collapsed into 1) Mueller made clear that Trump wasn't exonerated (not that that wasn't clear already), and 2) he can be charged once out of office. If it's not a right-wing outlet, maybe those are the two easiest headlines to grab onto.

That's what I saw even splashed on POLITICO's front page.

yeah I don't think this is a "win" for Trump the way the idiots on CNN are saying it is. lets not forget that "Mueller totally exonerates Trump - Barr" was the first headline to come out of this thing

like yeah the whole Mueller-as-savior-of-democracy thing is pretty embarrassing in retrospect but I think most people aren't brainbroken enough yet to realize that laws literally do not apply to powerful Republicans

Is this all you’ve been talking about all day

I was following Boris’ cabinet announcements to make myself feel better as an American

In the “I’m not alone” sense

Sadly very different than the “I’m never alone bcz Jesus” sense

frogbs: I was out and didn't see CNN tonight, but--while they may have had a couple of people on saying the hearings were good for Trump--I'm pretty sure that wouldn't have been their overall conclusion. Whatever you think of CNN, they despise Trump there (many run-ins between Trump and their news people, Jim Acosta most prominently). Their four evening shows obsessively enumerate whatever lies he tweeted that day every single night. So much so, it's oppressive. They had one thing up on their crawl machine during the entire hearings: "Mueller: Trump not exonerated." They didn't change it once.

So the new GOP spin seems to be that Mueller couldn't exonerate Trump anyway it wasn't a thing he could do. He didn't have the power.
Not the facts when examined don't exonerate him as Mueller responded to Barr's initial announcement with.

🤔🤔🤔

Jeffrey Epstein, the millionaire financier who is being held on federal sex trafficking charges, was found injured and in a fetal position in his cell at a New York City jail, sources close to the investigation told NBC News on Wednesday night.

Epstein, 66, was found semi-conscious with marks on his neck in his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan some time in the last two days, the sources said. Epstein is on suicide watch, two sources said.

Two sources told NBC News that Epstein may have tried to hang himself, while a third source cautioned that the injuries weren't serious, questioning whether Epstein might have staged an attack or a suicide attempt to get a transfer to another facility.

Nothing to see here!

I was following Boris’ cabinet announcements to make myself feel better as an American

Good luck with that.

And please, it's Bojo now.

NO CUTE NICKNAMES.

yeah, part of the normalisation process innit? JUst want to get the guy out as fast as possible.
Both sides of the Atlantic need rather sweeping revolutions, innit.
Or just surrender to the continual spin.

I believe we call him Britain Trump?

I was saying Boooris