David Crosby's If I Could Only Remember My Name - C or D?

okay that was amazing....the guy just kept going and going
basically just like "i read your wikipedia page" interview

I’d say stick with music but you’re not so good at that either. https://t.co/6ZLfjj1bpj

— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) August 3, 2019

Fuck u Doug henwood

croz's Russian shit is really dumb

Who cares

Does Croz write for the NYT or something? I want my washed up stars to harbor conspiracy theories.

Enjoyed the documentary. Partly a meditation on death--Crosby gives himself a year or two--mostly one long apology to everyone he's ever known. I'll throw up the usual red flag for anyone who thinks hippies ruined the world: stay clear. If that's not you, recommended.

He travels back to Laurel Canyon--the store, the house where CSN was conceived--but never mentions Manson (understandably). Which got me wondering what he thinks of the Tarantino film, if that's something he'd even see (probably not). And then--my mind does wander--I thought, "Who's a greater artist, David Crosby or Quentin Tarantino?" Well, Tarantino has never made any art the equal of "Eight Miles High," "She Don't Care About Time," or "Ohio." You can throw in some other Byrds songs, too--I'll stop there. But then Crosby just participated in two of those; he does get a writing credit on "Eight Miles High."

Amazing reaction shot from the Obamas the last time CSN sang together, at a White House ceremony in 2015. No one in the band, nor Young, nor McGuinn, is presently talking to Crosby.

yeah I'd guess Quentin had about as much to do with Ohio and She Don't Care About Time as Croz did, Neil's CSNY stuff is pretty much just Neil stuff....Clark wrote She Don't Care and given it's early Byrds it's likely Croz doesn't even play on it....I didn't know he had a co-write on 8 Miles....I generally regard him as a distant third banana in the Byrds

It struck me during OUATIH that when Dalton gets made up for Lancer, he ends up looking like a cross between Manson and Crosby.

Sounds like he was more involved in "Ohio" than Nash or Crosby; Neil supposedly wrote it on the spot with Crosby present, and then Crosby got Ahmet Ertegun to get it out immediately. I don't know why it had never occurred to me that the look for Hopper's Easy Rider character was 100% Crosby, it's pretty obvious.

http://www.cinearchivo.net/Site/Fotos/Films/Image/IMAGE26/DENNISHOPPER.bmp

(Even more obvious in the film, when both have hats on.)

"Nash or Stills" that should read.

yeah I'd guess Quentin had about as much to do with Ohio and She Don't Care About Time as Croz did

I don't know exactly what Quentin Tarantino's contributions were but Crosby is all over the track - his rhythm guitar playing is front and centre and that 'how many more' vocal part at the end is pretty memorable!

His “here if you listen” album has been in regular rotation for me

Ums otm re:Croz. He’s like the Stan Lee of the Byrds; the least consequential w the biggest mouth. (In this analogy Clarke = Kirby and uh McGuinn = Ditko? Idk)

Band dynamics are hard to parse, but I suspect Crosby had a lot more to do with the darker, more psychedelic Byrds (5D, Younger Than Yesterday) than can be measured just by songwriting credits (which, for what it's worth, spike significantly on those two albums--virtually nothing on the first two, 10/21 writing credits on the next two). Crosby begins the documentary talking rapturously about Coltrane, and that's certainly all over "Eight Miles High." If you think the Byrds were at their best on the first two albums and then later on Notorious Byrd Brothers and Sweetheart, then Crosby's importance diminishes (further complicated by Clark's comings and goings).

Biggest mouth, hands down--the documentary has some great Monterey footage I'd never seen of him going on about Kennedy conspiracy stuff (a big part of why he got the boot).

"If you think"--I'm using "you" in the general Kael-like sense there, not in reference to Οὖτις.

Crosby had a bunch of stuff on Notorious B.B. too.

i'm not saying he wasn't important!

tbough this:

I suspect Crosby had a lot more to do with the darker, more psychedelic Byrds (5D, Younger Than Yesterday) than can be measured just by songwriting credits

is you know hard to say....but i mean it's mcguinn's 12 string guitar that made that song takeoff....according to the wiki, clark said he wrote the lyrics w/croz kicking in one line

also Croz kicked in Mind Garden and Renaissance Fair which both suck ass imo

Though Everybody's Been Burned is so amazing

like he's good! but I think it's really unfair to say that McGuinn wasn't really the guiding force behind those albums, they sound psychedelic because of him, Croz is fine but Clark and McGuinn are just on another level

I know that Croz liked Coltrane and stuff but McGuinn did too and Shankar etc, but Croz frankly isn't a good enough instrumentalist to really express those influences, that's McGuinn

(xp) Yes, plus he never looked more handsome than he does on the cover.

also if we're talking about emerging songwriters within the Byrds you have to consider Chris Hillman as much as Croz

agree that it's generally pretty difficult to parse band dynamics. But it isn't difficult to make a judgment on what the likely merits various members brought to an ensemble based on what they did *outs8de* of that ensemble, ie on their own. Clark and Neil (and McGuinn, albeit to a lesser extent imo) went on to produce fantastic work. Crosby not so much (full disclosure I hate CSN and IICORMN)

to extend the Marvel bullpen analogy, this is the same as asking what Stan Lee created of note once Kirby and Ditko abandoned him (answer: nothing)

Crosby not so much (full disclosure I hate CSN and IICORMN)

― Οὖτις, Monday, August 5, 2019 10:32 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

haha okay but other than that how was the play mrs. lincoln?

if i could only remember my name is stone cold classic

and as deej said upthread, his recent albums are surprisingly good

Which might be the difference: I (admittedly a minority) like Crosby's songs on the first two CSN/CSNY albums.

Funniest blowhard moment in the documentary (although he does seem to be saying it half tongue-in-cheek): Crosby lobbying to be put in the Rock 'n' Roll HOF a third time, because CSNY should be inducted on their own (CSN have already been inducted).

lol

that reads kind of like a sad attempt to generate an excuse for his old bandmembers to maybe consider talking to him again

Crosby lobbying to be put in the Rock 'n' Roll HOF a third time, because CSNY should be inducted on their own (CSN have already been inducted).

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lol ok gotta respect the hustle

"Renaissance Faire" is great, wtf.

Byrds harmonies dipped a bit, post-Croz.

don't like it whaadya gonna do

but yeah I mean he was key to two of the great harmony singing groups ever not accident

I can understand not liking CSN because of Stills but Crosby's singing with them is beautiful.

the following video, which we talked about a lot some time ago with Crosby's murderous approach, remains my go-to Crosby document (after this thread's titular album)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_fZUgeLL0o

His songs on the first Crosby & Nash album are so dope, especially Whole Cloth--slow, jazzy, contemplative mode Croz with twinkling Fender Rhodes

I'm going to try to get this out of the weeds...My broader point above was that, even though he descended to a buffoonish caricature at his lowest point, David Crosby helped create some incredible music--some of which he wrote, some of which he didn't. I think he's half-right about CSNY going into the Rock and Roll HOF. CSN is like 70% of the people in there: they certainly don't need to be, but they're not the worst pick. (29% of the inductees belong, and 1% of them is the worst pick.) But if you're only going to go with one, CSNY would be better than just CSN.

To its credit, the documentary doesn't end with some cornball reunion engineered by Cameron Crowe. But it'll happen--first, because that's what these guys do, break up to make up, and it's also clear that Nash is softening up at the end.

I doubt Neil will do it unless he breaks up with Darryl Hannah

i think there about 4 other bands i'd rather see neil get back together with

i mean, pearl jam would be more interesting for heaven's sake ... maybe it's time for a 20th anniversary mirror ball reunion tour.

I know people don't like Stills but I kinda feel for the guy, I read somewhere he's going deaf and his voice has been cooked for awhile

one of my go-to 'what if' scenarios is imagining Neil never joined CSN, and they just covered his stuff once in a while at the most.

is this streaming anywhere?

Crosby seems kind of lonely right now; if you call him up, he may let you come over and watch it.

I'm sure he would love to hear how I wrote a sort of snarky song about him

i mean croz is sort of a legendary asshole with regrettable facial hair and probably that liver could have gone to someone more virtuous but on the other side of the equation he is at least apparently dying more-or-less alone and unloved, which is a fate a lot of legendary assholes seem to avoid, and also he did write some fucking fantastic songs. there are people a lot more worth hating than croz, is what i'm saying, enough of them that i just don't have any hatred left over for him.

Def prefer the work of Crosby and Stills over Nash’s wubbly weak stuff

Nash’s Hollies songs > Crosby’s Byrds songs

yeah what a fine metric to judge them by

the best hollies song is “dragging my heels”

I think I just don’t like the sound of his voice and his treacly songwriting. I like the sample of “Chicago” in that beanie Siegel song... I like “teach your children” but mainly for jerry garcia

I believe Crosby is alone among his peers for writing a song Miles Davis covered. Unfortunately, it (“Guinnevere”) happens to be the only out-and-out dull recording of Miles’ electric period.

Nash’s Hollies songs > Crosby’s Byrds songs

I'll do this only with my favourite songs by each band--they wrote others.

Had to check the credits on my four favourite Hollies songs: "I Can't Let Go," "Carrie Anne," "On a Carousel," "Pay You Back with Interest." Nash co-wrote the last three.

So for me they'd be up against "Eight Miles High," "What's Happening?!?!," "Lady Friend," and "Draft Morning," all co-written by Crosby.

If I put the last three Crosby songs against Nash's three, pretty close--I could go either way. But "Eight Miles High" is decisive.