Certain Rules and Regulations and Procedures: The ILX Political-Film Poll Results Thread

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A few ballots came in right at the end, so there’s enough for a Top 52--everything above that got multiple votes (a couple with only two, but the rest with between 3-12). I think I can milk this for three days: #51 (tie) to #36 today, #35 to #21 tomorrow, the top 20 on Wednesday.

There were 23 voters, 419 votes in total, and 168 films listed. All but a couple of ballots designated a #1--two films received more than one #1.

A number of these films are identified with one or two iconic images. I tried to avoid those, so some the images may seem puzzling--not particularly important to the film, or without any major characters. That’s why. For the seven films I haven’t seen (and a few I saw so long ago I remember little), I just went with something that looked good. I reluctantly cropped a lot of images; trying to control the size of the text is otherwise an ordeal (I’m working on a sophisticated program called Microsoft Paint).

clemenza, Monday, 22 July 2019 15:49 (two years ago) link

51. (tie) Get Out (2017)
26 points/3 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-51a.jpg

51. (tie) Sansho the Bailiff (1954)
26 points/3 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-51b.jpg

clemenza, Monday, 22 July 2019 15:52 (two years ago) link

I know these things start slow, so I'll just keep plowing ahead at intervals of five minutes or so. I've had this on the shelf for years--will make an effort to finally watch it.

50. In the Loop (2009)
27 points/3 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-50.jpg

clemenza, Monday, 22 July 2019 16:02 (two years ago) link

I didn’t mention it above, but with ties (like #51), the higher placement went to the film with more votes. A few ties remained.

49. Bob Roberts (1992)
29 points/2 votes
(1 #1 vote)

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-49.jpg

clemenza, Monday, 22 July 2019 16:13 (two years ago) link

Bob Roberts is too smug by 8 1/2, but seems super-relevant today.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 22 July 2019 16:15 (two years ago) link

I can't remember if this came out before or after the '92 election--Clinton and Perot certainly figured in. I watched it for a second time just before the 2016 election, when it was getting mentioned here and there in connection to Trump.

clemenza, Monday, 22 July 2019 16:15 (two years ago) link

"(I’m working on a sophisticated program called Microsoft Paint)."

👍

xyzzzz__, Monday, 22 July 2019 16:18 (two years ago) link

48. Welfare (1975)
31 points/2 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-48.jpg

clemenza, Monday, 22 July 2019 16:21 (two years ago) link

This is the real reason I dropped the countdown to 51, so I could get Welfare in there...I've said this many times on other threads, but one of the most great films of the '70s. I did my own screenshot from Kanopy; that scene in particular is amazing. It was one of the first Wiseman films I ever saw, at a retrospective 10 years ago. I've seen 10 or 15 since, many excellent but none the equal of Welfare.

clemenza, Monday, 22 July 2019 16:25 (two years ago) link

"most great"--"great" will suffice.

clemenza, Monday, 22 July 2019 16:25 (two years ago) link

Never - to my shame - seen anything by Wiseman.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 22 July 2019 16:27 (two years ago) link

My favourite after Welfare would be Near Death and a few of the more recent ones. I still haven't seen Monrovia, Indiana. They're all on Kanopy (except Monrovia) if you're good with that (although Kanopy may not be in Britain).

clemenza, Monday, 22 July 2019 16:30 (two years ago) link

47. The Conformist (1970)
31 points/3 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-47.jpg

clemenza, Monday, 22 July 2019 16:31 (two years ago) link

Really good film of a mostly good novel. Has some beautiful colours.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 22 July 2019 16:37 (two years ago) link

I can get a torrent of it sometime (Kanopy seems to require you to be a member of a library)

xyzzzz__, Monday, 22 July 2019 16:40 (two years ago) link

46. The Times of Harvey Milk (1984)
33 points/4 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-46.jpg

I thought Gus Van Sant’s film was pretty good...but kind of unnecessary in view of this (although it's always good to reach a wider audience, and maybe the documentary benefited it some ways).

clemenza, Monday, 22 July 2019 16:43 (two years ago) link

Let me try that again--it's not a countdown without fuck-ups.

clemenza, Monday, 22 July 2019 16:43 (two years ago) link

46. The Times of Harvey Milk (1984)
33 points/4 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-46.jpeg

clemenza, Monday, 22 July 2019 16:46 (two years ago) link

jpeg, not jpg...Whoever came up with that dumb idea?

clemenza, Monday, 22 July 2019 16:46 (two years ago) link

44. (tie) Night of the Living Dead (1968)
34 points/3 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-44a.jpg

44. (tie) To Be or Not to Be (1942)
34 points/3 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-44b.jpg

clemenza, Monday, 22 July 2019 16:55 (two years ago) link

43. Grand Illusion (1937)
34 points/4 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-43.jpg

clemenza, Monday, 22 July 2019 17:06 (two years ago) link

42. The Candidate (1972)
35 points/3 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-42.jpg

I thought this would have ended up higher...I think it’s been seen by enough people, but I don’t know, there were complaints even in ’72 that it was superficial, or too obvious, or something. I don’t think so--I think it holds up great. If you had to pick the Bill McKay out of the Democratic field this year, maybe Beto O’Rourke? Except his résumé's thinner than McKay's.

clemenza, Monday, 22 July 2019 17:14 (two years ago) link

I liked this when I watched it a few years back; probably would have voted for it had it been fresher in my mind. I admittedly had some trouble filling out my ballot--wanted to stick to films that directly featured political figures, even though there aren't a whole lot of them that I love--so when I got to the latter half of my Top 10, I started going with movies that fit the bill that I'd seen recent-ishly and enjoyed.

Herman Woke (cryptosicko), Monday, 22 July 2019 17:19 (two years ago) link

I can get a torrent of it sometime (Kanopy seems to require you to be a member of a library)

There's a certain thread on the 77 board; shall I start posting links to reasonably reliable streaming sites?

Anne Hedonia (j.lu), Monday, 22 July 2019 17:22 (two years ago) link

Grim scene. Redford looks uptight--nobody's listening to him, and nobody's digging him.

I didn't do a count or anything, but I think the top 50's split about evenly between films with actual politicians and the more tangential Welfare/Night of the Living Dead-type film.

clemenza, Monday, 22 July 2019 17:26 (two years ago) link

40. (tie) Casablanca (1942)
36 points/4 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-40a.jpg

40. (tie) I Am Cuba (1964)
36 points/4 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-40b.jpg

clemenza, Monday, 22 July 2019 17:27 (two years ago) link

J. Lu: if it'll help people track down something, sure.

clemenza, Monday, 22 July 2019 17:29 (two years ago) link

38. (tie) The Great Dictator (1940)
38 points/5 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-38a.jpg

38. (tie) The Lives of Others (2006)
38 points/5 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-38b.jpg

Never a that big a fan of Casablanca...maybe when I was younger. A lot of speechifying.

clemenza, Monday, 22 July 2019 17:40 (two years ago) link

The Great Dictator is another one I'd've probably voted for if I'd seen it more recently.

Herman Woke (cryptosicko), Monday, 22 July 2019 17:42 (two years ago) link

"There's a certain thread on the 77 board; shall I start posting links to reasonably reliable streaming sites?"

Not on 77.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 22 July 2019 17:43 (two years ago) link

Love I am Cuba, great still, must've been hard to pick one

xyzzzz__, Monday, 22 July 2019 17:44 (two years ago) link

Wide range of images to choose from, yeah.

clemenza, Monday, 22 July 2019 17:46 (two years ago) link

37. The Leopard (1963)
39 points/4 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-37.jpg

clemenza, Monday, 22 July 2019 17:52 (two years ago) link

I’ll resume tomorrow after these last couple.

35. (tie) A City of Sadness (1940)
40 points/4 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-35a.jpg

35. (tie) Army of Shadows (1969)
40 points/4 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-35b.jpg

clemenza, Monday, 22 July 2019 18:02 (two years ago) link

So far:

51. (tie) Get Out (2017)
51. (tie) Sansho the Bailiff (1954)
50. In the Loop (2009)
49. Bob Roberts (1992)
48. Welfare (1975)
47. The Conformist (1970)
46. The Times of Harvey Milk (1984)
44. (tie) Night of the Living Dead (1968)
44. (tie) To Be or Not to Be (1942)
43. Grand Illusion (1937)
42. The Candidate (1972)
40. (tie) Casablanca (1942)
40. (tie) I Am Cuba (1964)
38. (tie) The Great Dictator (1940)
38. (tie) The Lives of Others (2006)
37. The Leopard (1963)
35. (tie) A City of Sadness (1940)
35. (tie) Army of Shadows (1969)

clemenza, Monday, 22 July 2019 18:05 (two years ago) link

Voted for at least a couple of today’s. NOTLD for sure.

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Monday, 22 July 2019 21:33 (two years ago) link

I don't think there's a better Vietnam film, and it's also pretty great, in a roundabout way--through omission--on race. There are were at least two highly political films I thought would make the list from '68; this one did, the other, surprisingly, didn't.

clemenza, Monday, 22 July 2019 22:29 (two years ago) link

35. (tie) A City of Sadness (1940) (1989)

calzino, Monday, 22 July 2019 22:32 (two years ago) link

Oops...cutting, pasting, cutting, pasting, etc. Got the screenshot right, at least.

clemenza, Monday, 22 July 2019 22:33 (two years ago) link

In other screw-up news, I decided a double-post looks better for #46 than a broken link. I should have realized that that was fixable before re-posting.

clemenza, Monday, 22 July 2019 22:55 (two years ago) link

The whole world is watching, the whole world is watching...Brexit and Trump. But I must proceed a pace.

Unfortunately, one of the seven I haven't seen:

34. Rome, Open City (1945)
40 points/5 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-34.jpg

clemenza, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 15:46 (two years ago) link

I've forgotten who plays the ruthless gestapo op in it, but she is brilliant.

calzino, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 15:51 (two years ago) link

33. A Touch of Sin (2013)
41 points/4 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-33.jpg

clemenza, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 15:57 (two years ago) link

30. (tie) Black Girl (1966)
42 points/4 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-30a.jpg

30. (tie) Cabaret (1972)
42 points/4 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-30b.jpg

30. (tie) The Parallax View (1974)
42 points/4 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-30c.jpg

Like the first and third; the middle, being a musical, not really for me.

clemenza, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 16:07 (two years ago) link

The Parallax View is a blindspot for me; if anything, my recent viewing of Seven Days in May has me thinking that I may be too cynical for paranoid political thrillers (a generational thing?). I like the other two but, again, I stuck to a stricter version of "political."

Herman Woke (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 16:18 (two years ago) link

29. A Face in the Crowd (1957)
44 points/6 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-29.jpg

This is the surprise I alluded to on the voting thread. Through the first half of ballots to come in, it was up in the top three or four; didn't get more than a vote in the second half, though.

I had it on my own list. Knocked me out the first time I saw it; slightly less impressive rewatching it two or three times since. McCarthy + Elvis, but it's never stopped being relevant.

clemenza, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 16:20 (two years ago) link

(xpost) I know what you mean--that's a qualified like from me for The Parallax View. Great first scene, and the brainwashing sequence is justly famous. But a lot of it is basically a chase film.

clemenza, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 16:22 (two years ago) link

Good to see Black Girl this high up. Cabaret as well, though neither made my top 30

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 16:25 (two years ago) link

I saw Black Girl for the first time a few months ago. Thought the ending with the kid was amazing--I would have used that still, but bypassed it for reasons outlined above (it came up so often on Google, I assume it's the one image associated with the film).

clemenza, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 16:27 (two years ago) link

I'm not entirely sure how to comment on this list, but this is a list of very good films

Frederik B, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 16:32 (two years ago) link

19. Chinatown (1974)
53 points/6 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-19.jpg

Didn't include this on my own ballot, which is not a reflection of how much I love it.

clemenza, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 16:25 (two years ago) link

18. Z (1969)
54 points/5 votes
(1 #1 vote)

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-18.jpg

clemenza, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 16:33 (two years ago) link

16. (tie) A Grin Without a Cat (1977)
55 points/4 votes
(2 #1 votes)

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-16a.jpg

16. (tie) Taxi Driver (1976)
55 points/4 votes
(1 #1 vote)

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-16b.jpg

Don't mean to vote not-in-character, but I had the first on my ballot and not the second. I don't claim to understand every nuance of A Grin Without a Cat, but the tone registers--derisive, sardonic, disillusioned--and the four-hour cascade of footage is incredible.

clemenza, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 16:42 (two years ago) link

15. Carlos (2010)
57 points/5 votes
(1 #1 vote)

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-15.jpg

I changed my mind about not commenting on omissions from the IndieWire decade-end list; Carlos not being on there was a surprise.

I'm going to put this monologue on hold for a couple of hours--more Mueller.

clemenza, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 16:53 (two years ago) link

I was one of the two #1 votes for A Grin without a Cat (entirely within character).

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 16:59 (two years ago) link

Also placed Advise & Consent within my top 10, maybe even top 5?

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 17:00 (two years ago) link

You had it third...Golfing tonight, so I gotta finish this up.

14. Jeanne Dielman, 23, quai du commerce, 1080 Bruxelles (1975)
61 points/5 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-14.jpg

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

clemenza, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 18:18 (two years ago) link

13. Battleship Potemkin (1925)
65 points/7 votes
(1 #1 vote)

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-13.jpg

Earliest film on the list..I saw it in film class sometime between 1925 and 2019.

clemenza, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 18:28 (two years ago) link

12. The Sorrow and the Pity (1969)
66 points/5 votes
(1 #1 vote)

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-12.jpg

clemenza, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 18:39 (two years ago) link

11. JFK (1991)
72 points/7 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-11.jpg

Think I reached my limit last time I watched this; it looks worse to me every time out, mostly due to Costner.

clemenza, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 18:52 (two years ago) link

Top 10.

10. Do the Right Thing (1989)
73 points/7 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-10.jpg

I had Malcolm X on my ballot.

clemenza, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 19:01 (two years ago) link

xp "You're as crazy as your mama. Goes to show it's in the genes."

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 19:02 (two years ago) link

DTRT is probably the closest I came to voting for a movie just because I love it, regardless of its qualifications as a "political" movie, which it does fuiud.

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 19:04 (two years ago) link

I love how much ILX loves JFK.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 19:06 (two years ago) link

9. 4 Months, 3 Weeks, and 2 Days (2007)
74 points/7 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-09.jpg

clemenza, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 19:11 (two years ago) link

8. The Rules of the Game (1939)
83 points/6 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-08.jpg

clemenza, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 19:22 (two years ago) link

Yesss!

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 19:22 (two years ago) link

I know these things aren't supposed to unfold like a race, but I'll have to step up the pace for the last few.

7. Paths of Glory (1957)
86 points/9 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-07.jpg

I think this was one of two in the top seven that picked up a lot of votes towards the end. One of my two favourite war films, along with Casualties of War.

clemenza, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 19:28 (two years ago) link

Bummed I missed this poll!

flappy bird, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 19:31 (two years ago) link

Without overdoing it, I tried to get it out there--a nominating thread and voting thread preceded this.

6. All the President’s Men (1976)
88 points/6 votes
(2 #1 votes)

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-06.jpg

#1 on my own list, although it's really more a film about journalism (which, admittedly, it deifies) than politics.

clemenza, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 19:34 (two years ago) link

I believe I did give Pakula two slots on my ballot. But if not, I def prefer Parallax.

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 19:37 (two years ago) link

Looks like you just had Parallax.

clemenza, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 19:39 (two years ago) link

5. Nashville (1975)
104 points/7 votes
(1 #1 vote)

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-05.jpg

I left off Taxi Driver, which I really don't experience politically, but felt justified in voting for this (lower, though, than I would on a general list of favourites).

clemenza, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 19:41 (two years ago) link

Ah yes, it was Spielberg and Watkins that got two slots each.

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 19:42 (two years ago) link

xp my #2

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 19:42 (two years ago) link

That still above captures everything that's so great about Jason Robards in ATPM.

4. The Battle of Algiers (1966)
104 points/12 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-04.jpg

Kept climbing and climbing, ended up with as many votes as the #1.

clemenza, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 19:47 (two years ago) link

3. Election (1999)
107 points/10 votes
(1 #1 vote)

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-03.jpg

In the four times I've done this, I try to finish my own ballot before very many come in. I don't want to end up tailoring my own list to influence the results. I didn't vote for Election because, as weird as this sounds, I don't experience it as a political film. I like it a lot--if I'd voted knowing how close it was to the top, I might have ended up giving it a few points (and then would have had to decide how many).

clemenza, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 19:50 (two years ago) link

If you're following, you've probably figured out the top two by now.

2. Dr. Strangelove (1964)
109 points/11 votes

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-02.jpg

Speaking of great stills...

clemenza, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 19:55 (two years ago) link

1. The Manchurian Candidate (1962)
122 points/12 votes
(1 #1 vote)

http://phildellio.tripod.com/political-01.jpg

On my list for sheer audaciousness--because of the draggy Sinatra-Leigh scenes, I think it's a tiny bit overrated.

clemenza, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 19:59 (two years ago) link

No point in a separate thread for individual lists--go ahead and post them here if you want. You should have a copy, but if you need your list, let me know. I'm in a bit of a rush now; I'll post the complete list later tonight.

51. (tie) Get Out (2017)
51. (tie) Sansho the Bailiff (1954)
50. In the Loop (2009)
49. Bob Roberts (1992)
48. Welfare (1975)
47. The Conformist (1970)
46. The Times of Harvey Milk (1984)
44. (tie) Night of the Living Dead (1968)
44. (tie) To Be or Not to Be (1942)
43. Grand Illusion (1937)
42. The Candidate (1972)
40. (tie) Casablanca (1942)
40. (tie) I Am Cuba (1964)
38. (tie) The Great Dictator (1940)
38. (tie) The Lives of Others (2006)
37. The Leopard (1963)
35. (tie) A City of Sadness (1989)
35. (tie) Army of Shadows (1969)
34. Rome, Open City (1945)
33. A Touch of Sin (2013)
30. (tie) Black Girl (1966)
30. (tie) Cabaret (1972)
30. (tie) The Parallax View (1974)
29. A Face in the Crowd (1957)
28. Harlan County, U.S.A. (1976)
27. Hiroshima mon amour (1959)
25. (tie) Duck Soup (1933)
25. (tie) The Passion of Joan of Arc (1928)
24. Citizen Kane (1941)
23. Being There (1979)
22. Munich (2005)
21. The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp (1943)
20. Advise & Consent (1962)
19. Chinatown (1974)
18. Z (1969)
16. (tie) A Grin Without a Cat (1977)
16. (tie) Taxi Driver (1976)
14. Jeanne Dielman, 23, quai du commerce, 1080 Bruxelles (1975)
13. Battleship Potemkin (1925)
12. The Sorrow and the Pity (1969)
11. JFK (1991)
10. Do the Right Thing (1989)
9. 4 Months, 3 Weeks, and 2 Days (2007)
8. The Rules of the Game (1939)
7. Paths of Glory (1957)
6. All the President’s Men (1976)
5. Nashville (1975)
4. The Battle of Algiers (1966)
3. Election (1999)
2. Dr. Strangelove (1964)
1. The Manchurian Candidate (1962)

clemenza, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 20:00 (two years ago) link

I had never seen the Manchurian Candidate until a few years ago. The guys at the local video store had it on the in-store monitor and it was the nightmare/interrogation scene where it's switching back and forth between the little old ladies and the Soviet/Chinese intelligence officials and I was so struck by the Twilight Zone-ish quality of it, had no idea it contained anything so audacious. Fantastic film.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 20:09 (two years ago) link

The weighted/more enthusiastic portion of my ballot (i.e. top 15) was:

1. A Grin Without a Cat
2. Nashville
3. Advise and Consent
4. Election (1999)
5. The Parallax View

6. Night of the Living Dead
7. Munich
8. Winter Soldier
9. La Commune

10. The Rules of the Game

11. JFK
12. The Battle of Algiers
13. Memories of Underdevelopment
14. BPM (Beats Per Minute)

15. I Am Cuba

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 20:10 (two years ago) link

Here's the Letterboxd version: https://letterboxd.com/jer_fairall/list/certain-rules-and-regulations-and-procedures/
(I've seen exactly half of the list)

My Top 10:

Election (1999)
Ballot Box Bunny
Citizen Kane
Dr. Strangelove
Dead Zone
Being There
Wag the Dog
The Great McGinty
Mr. Smith Goes to Washington
The Manchurian Candidate (1962)

Herman Woke (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 20:23 (two years ago) link

I didn't vote because I didn't know how to circumscribe the 'genre' even for myself. A lot of the above strike me as primarily war films rather than political. (Anyway i might've singlehandedly put Bulworth into the top 51.)

The Sinatra-Leigh scenes in TMC are so fucking strange and ambiguous... they don't drag for me.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 20:26 (two years ago) link

the only ones i haven't seen of the 52 are Welfare and Harlan County USA, which will be rectified shortly

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 20:28 (two years ago) link

I didn't vote because I didn't know how to circumscribe the 'genre' even for myself.

same

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 20:32 (two years ago) link

Same, but I slapped together an unsatisfying ballot anyway since clem asked so sweetly.

Manfred Hemming-Hawing (WmC), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 21:23 (two years ago) link

there were too many things that have been on my to-watch list for decades for me to vote

also Don's Party should have won, you cowards

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 21:42 (two years ago) link

i mean, all of Wiseman's docs are political

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 21:53 (two years ago) link

Any genre poll has amorphous boundaries. There were arguments with the comedy and horror polls, and there was second-guessing and uncertainty on the road-film poll too. To me that's interesting, not a problem. I started this thing with one definition, and I ended up loosening that up within about five minutes.

1. All the President’s Men – 23
2. The Candidate - 21
3. Advise and Consent - 18
4. The Champions - 17
5. Welfare - 16
6. Nixon - 15
7. Carlos - 14
8. Nashville - 13
9. The War Room - 12
10. Malcolm X - 11
11. A Grin Without a Cat - 10
12. The Weather Underground - 9
13. The Best Man - 8
14. Night of the Living Dead – 7
15. Watergate – 6
16. Guerrilla: The Taking of Patty Hearst - 5
17. The Times of Harvey Milk - 5
18. A Face in the Crowd - 5
19. Paths of Glory - 5
20. Hearts and Minds - 5
21. The Manchurian Candidate (1962) - 5
22. Primary Colors - 5
23. The Ides of March - 5
24. The Contender - 5
25. Going Upriver: The Long War of John Kerry - 5

clemenza, Thursday, 25 July 2019 01:49 (two years ago) link

Thanks for setting up the Letterboxd page, Jer.

clemenza, Thursday, 25 July 2019 01:54 (two years ago) link

Other films getting votes (just points, without breaking ties, without #1s, and without italics...too much work):

53. Gabriel Over the White House - 25 points
Matewan
Nixon
Germany, Year Zero
Burn After Reading

58. The Weather Underground - 24 points
Medium Cool
Punishment Park
La Commune

62. Malcolm X - 21 points
BPM (Beats Per Minute)

64. Meet John Doe - 20 points
The President Vanishes
Xala
Red Psalm
The Second Awakening of Crista Klages
Come and See
Hearts and Minds
Day of Wrath
If....
The Baader-Meinhof Complex
Lincoln

75. Wag the Dog - 19 points

76. The Best Man - 18 points

77. The Champions - 17 points
The Godfather Part II

79. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington - 16 points
The Deer Hunter
Watergate
Nocturama

83. The Corporation - 15 points
In the Year of the Pig
The Great McGinty
Report
The Other Side
Winter Soldier

89. Seven Days in May - 14 points

90. Ballot Box Bunny - 13 points
The Battle of Chile

92. The War Room - 12 points
Point of Order

94. All Quiet on the Western Front - 10 points
Body and Soul
Intolerance
The Manchurian Candidate (2004)
The Nasty Girl
The White Rose
Princess Mononoke
Chimes at Midnight
Ice
The Third Generation
The Human Condition Trilogy
Primary Colors
Eldridge Cleaver, Black Panther
In the Line of Fire
Dick
A Report on the Party and the Guests
Deserter
23rd Psalm Branch
My Son John
West Indies: The Fugitive Slaves of Liberty
From the Other Side
Race d'Ep: un siècle d'images de l'homosexualité
We Want Roses Too
Sekigun-P.F.L.P: Sekai sensô sengen
La guerre est finie
Fail Safe
The Bonfire of the Vanities
Fahrenheit 9/11
Week-end
Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956)
Black Panthers (1968)
Shin Godzilla
Election (2005)
Narita: Peasants of the Second Fortress
A Soft Note on a Sharp Scale
Too Early/Too Late
Being Gypsy
Here and Elsewhere
Germany in Autumn
Postwar History of Japan as Told by a Bar Hostess
Far from Vietnam
Le Gai Savoir
Death by Hanging
Hitler: A Film from Germany
Memories of Underdevelopment
The Taking of Power by Louis XIV
All the King's Men
Milk
The Rise of Michael Rimmer
Amazing Grace

144. The Dead Zone - 9 points

145. 2 or 3 Things I Know About Her - 8 points
Washington Merry-Go-Round

147. No - 7 points
Tanner
The Fireman's Ball

150. Pierrot le Fou - 6 points
The Normal Heart

152. Going Upriver: The Long War of John Kerry - 5 points
Guerrilla: The Taking of Patty Hearst
The Contender
The Ides of March
Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room
Missing
How to Survive a Plague
Magic Mike, XXL
Moi, un noir
It Is Not the Homosexual Who Is Perverse
Zero Patience

163. Alexander Hamilton - 4 points
Dave
The Birth of a Nation
The House of Rothschild
Zootopia

168. Wild in the Streets - 1 point

clemenza, Thursday, 25 July 2019 05:29 (two years ago) link

Bolded...meant to code non-proportional text. Carry on.

clemenza, Thursday, 25 July 2019 05:31 (two years ago) link

Er...The Manchurian candidate...ok

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 25 July 2019 08:26 (two years ago) link

Never seen it, like not on my radar at all so I'll look at it.

Thanks for the work Clemenza, a few interesting things came out of this.

And lol @ JFK. Purely voted for it because it's a very ilx thing. Just had to.

I think I would've done anyway. It's my go to film for conspiracy as a mode of politics, but it's so ridiculous. I often stop caring when it gets to court.

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Hiroshima Mon Amour
The Battle of Chile
Narita: Peasants of the Second Fortress
Jeanne Dielman, 23 Quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles
The Battle of Algiers
A City of Sadness
Xala
A Grin Without a Cat
A Soft Note on a Sharp Scale
La Commune
Too Early/Too Late
Being Gypsy
Here and Elsewhere
Germany in Autumn
Postwar History of Japan as Told by a Bar Hostess
Far from Vietnam
Red Psalm
Z
The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp
Le Gai Savoir
4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days
The Sorrow and the Pity
Death by Hanging
Come and See
Germany, Year Zero
Hitler: A film from Germany
I Am Cuba
JFK
Battleship Potemkin
The Second Awakening of Crista Klages

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 25 July 2019 08:36 (two years ago) link

Top 20, Enthusiasm (3 or more votes):

1. Duck Soup (15.67 points per voter)
The Passion of Joan of Arc (15.67)
3. Nashville (14.86)
4. All the President's Men (14.67)
5. The Rules of the Game (13.83)
6. A Grin Without a Cat (13.75)
Taxi Driver (13.75)
8. The Sorrow and the Pity (13.20)
9. Advise and Consent (13.00)
10. Jeanne Dielman, 23 Quai du Commerce (12.20)
11. Being There (12.00)
12. The Candidate (11.67)
13. Carlos (11.40)
14. Night of the Living Dead (11.33)
To Be or Not to Be (11.33)
16. Z (10.8)
17. Election (10.7)
18. 4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days (10.57)
19. Black Girl (10.5)
Cabaret (10.5)
The Parallax View (10.5)

So three of the top four, including #1, drop off the list.

clemenza, Thursday, 25 July 2019 13:27 (two years ago) link

thanks for running the poll clemenza!

my unranked ballot:

A city of sadness
A touch of sin
Army of shadows
Black panthers
Burn after reading
Chinatown
Citizen kane
Do the right thing
Election - 2005
Grand illusion
Jeanne dielman
Paths of glory
Rome open city
Sansho the bailiff
Shin godzilla
Battle of Algiers
Taxi driver
The leopard
Life and death of Colonel Blimp
The rules of the game

devvvine, Thursday, 25 July 2019 13:31 (two years ago) link

Sometimes I think I'm too contrarian for my own good. My ballot (ranked):

1. Gabriel Over the White House
2. The President Vanishes
3. Duck Soup
4. I Am Cuba
5. In the Loop
6. The Manchurian Candidate (1962)
7. Z
8. The Manchurian Candidate (2004)
9. Dr. Strangelove
10. Intolerance
11. The Great Dictator
12. Washington Merry-Go-Round
13. No
14. Battleship Potemkin
15. A Face in the Crowd
16. Alexander Hamilton
17. Dave
18. Bob Roberts
19. The House of Rothschild
20. The Birth of a Nation

Nonetheless, thanks for running this poll. Maybe the next poll should be finance movies? Or media?

Anne Hedonia (j.lu), Friday, 26 July 2019 00:48 (two years ago) link

One that I forgot about and didn't nominate was Spin (1995), a doc on the media's coverage of the 1992 US election using satellite feed footage. It's easy to find on youtube if anyone's interested.

adam the (abanana), Friday, 26 July 2019 02:51 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

Washington Merry-Go-Round (1932) is apparently considered by some to have been plagiarized by the guy who wrote the story for Capra's Mr Smith... I don't think it holds water, bcz aside from a (much briefer) visit to the Lincoln Memorial by its hero, it checks the same boxes most of these populist ant-corruption morality plays do.

Intriguing for Lee Tracy to be playing an idealist firebrand instead of a cynic/realist. Early on he visits a Hooverville in the Anacostia Flats and berates its WWI-veteran residents for not fighting for democracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anacostia#Great_Depression

(This is some third-act foreshadowing.) Also the villain is a steel magnate / bootlegger with fascist aspirations.

Constance Cummings, who went on to have a distinguished career esp on the stage, is very good as the more solidly grounded (and amoral) Jean Arthur figure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RucCOCy8cU

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 August 2020 17:23 (one year ago) link


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