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Based on their first album, Magma are an okay-ish band.

the best replacements song is TMBG's "hi we're the replacements"

More or less, it seems to me over recent years that:

- ilx needs to be convinced they shouldn't automatically hate an indie act they heard about
- ilx needs to be convinced they shouldn't automatically like a pop act they heard about

Just an impression I have; I don't have enough citations to back that up in a debate at the moment

What about indie pop?

Under my anecdotal premise I guess I feel like that leans towards "automatically like" generally as well? IDK

Speaking purely personally, I have heard enough indie guitar music to last me a lifetime, and any new music of this sort has to be either very good or very novel to not seem like a total waste of time.

always happy to oblige!

I was convinced I'd get more pushback for making generalizations like this. Was inspired by the Car Seat Headrest discussions. Everyone on ilx seems to want to give that guy a swirly.

the phrase "indie landfill" came about for a reason. the bar there is so, so low compared to pop music, which is as brutal and cutthroat a competition as one gets.

"moondance" would be a much, much better record if only van morrison had had the good sense to excise the title track

which is trash

I think it's a good album with or without "Moondance". Not quite as good as "Tupelo Honey" though (the album, not the song).

I enjoy the song, but it is a bit corny and out of place on there.

Queen is overrated.

I like ketchup but a tablespoon of it is enough. Queen is, like, an entire cup of ketchup.

The Police were mainly brilliant

Cirith Ungol's vocalist sounds like he's been trying to shit for 20 years

Are any of these controversial?

most say he sounds like he's been trying to shit for only 15

cosign on above three controps

anyway...

modern doom metal is 95% gear and 5% ideas / talent / songs

Because I don't want to derail the Jane's Addiction thread…

('Three Days'/'Then She Did' are awesome when PF holds his peace btw.)

Come to think of it, the (long) 1980s are probably the decade in rock I struggle with the most, to this day, and I wonder whether this is typical of post-gen X-ers/pre-zoomers such as myself. There are countless classics from that era that I do enjoy more often than not but that I've never wholeheartedly embraced, such as…

The Fall
Guns n' Roses
Hüsker Dü
Judas Priest
Metallica
Minutemen
Motörhead
My Bloody Valentine
Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
Prince
Rush
The Smiths
Talking Heads
XTC
etc.

I don't dislike any of these acts per se and there's enough amazing music between them that I could never relinquish, but I still would never think of including them in my personal canon. Whereas the period going from, say, 1967 to 1977 is evergreen in my mind.

I guess I never completely overcame the 'the 80s were the worst decade for music ever' mentality that was somehow drilled into me at a young age.

no decade responsible for “no ufos” could possibly be the worst decade ever

'the 80s were the worst decade for music ever' mentality that was somehow drilled into me at a young age.

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idk why but this felt like a prevailing sentiment among regular (non-music-obsessed) people when i was growing up (in the late 90s, 00s), and it took me a while to overcome that inherited bias, too. i basically feel the opposite way now, fwiw.

I have no idea where it came from, exactly. Did people in the 80s think 70s music was utter garbage?

post-gen X-ers/pre-zoomers

There’s a term for this, you know (lol)

I know and I manifestly hate it lol.

I think the whole stupid "Disco Sucks!" thing which went very mainstream helped to seal off the 60s and 70s as this "when music was good" period in a lot of lazy ppl's minds

I have no idea where it came from, exactly. Did people in the 80s think 70s music was utter garbage?

The 70s as a whole was viewed as utter garbage in the UK, and still is to a very great extent, it's all the Wurzels/ Leeds United/ inflation/ Confessions of a Window Cleaner/ Love Thy Neighbour/ strikes/ the Troubles etc. Irredemably grim and uncool. Pretty unfair of course - apart from Leeds United.

Whereas the period going from, say, 1967 to 1977 is evergreen in my mind.

So, not a fan of post punk then?

I like post-punk a lot, but nowhere near as much as the true believers. Still, it’s one of the clear highlights of that era for me.

I've never heard "The '80s are crap," not when '80s comps got releases in 1993 and 1994. What I DO hear, and it drives me bats, is how a DX-7 sound is "dated," "of its time," while some Rickenbacker jangle from 1965 is "timeless."

Joy Division, This Heat, Wire, The Cure and PiL are the ones I return to the most.

xp

I grew up in the US in the 80s, and yes, it felt like the entire decade of the 70s had been memory holed. 70s music and styles went through quite a rehabilitation in the 90s.

xp
I definitely did absorb some "80s are bad" propaganda, grounded in that exact "dated sound" double standard. I grew up being told that early digital sounds were cheap or cheezy compared to 60s and 70s analogue (what was less clear was what 90s sounds were; if pushed I think the narrative would have been that synths and drum machines "got better").

what was less clear was what 90s sounds were; if pushed I think the narrative would have been that synths and drum machines "got better" if pushed I think the narrative would have been that synths and drum machines "got better"

Yes, that sounds right.

A lot of digital tech fell out of favor and was replaced with either vintage or vintage-emulating gear. For example, there was a big boost of interest in tube amplifiers.

early 80s is one of the best times for music ever, late 80s is patchy but loads of brilliant dance music, and plenty of other good stuff out there. Mid 80s is a bit of a dead zone, like 85/86 especially, and must have seemed horrible compared to half a decade earlier, I was a bit too young to really be paying attention, but this is what wlmy research indicates

and the R&B 1980-1986 = amazing

I am an 80s creature and I always will be. There were times in the 80s when top 40 radio felt (to me) like a delirious and fairly diverse party, with things that were truly inexplicable existing side-by-side.

When I was in junior high school it would have felt totally normal to hear "Valley Girl," "Word Up," "Pass the Dutchie," "She Blinded me with Science," "Mexican Radio," "Rock the Casbah," "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun," "Everyday I Write the Book," "Red Red Wine," "I Feel for You," "Jam on it," "Rhythm of the Night," "Let's Dance," "Down Under," "Puttin' on the Ritz," "Rock me Amadeus," "Union of the Snake," "Crazy for You," "Night Shift," "Whip It," and "Beat it" in quick succession. Sure, Casey Kasem was filtering everything and major record labels were the devil (as ever). But to me (the white kid in a black neighborhood), pop music felt pretty optimistic and open and embracing.

I admit I don't have a ton of evidence for this (and will probably get thoroughly dragged) but: it feels to me like in subsequent years, radio listenership (and individual listening patterns) became more siloed after that. When I got to high school there were metal kids and new-wave kids and pop kids and rap kids; people tended to focus their listening rather than broadening it.

I grew up in the US in the 80s, and yes, it felt like the entire decade of the 70s had been memory holed. 70s music and styles went through quite a rehabilitation in the 90s.

Interesting. As a kid in the late 80s, it already seemed like a lot of people thought the 80s sucked (and I wasn't always inclined to disagree). 60s stuff seemed especially revered but rock radio was also pretty heavy on 70s artists. If anything, a lot of the contemporary songs on rock radio were still by people like the Wilburys, Robert Plant, Clapton, Tom Petty, Rush, Genesis, Aerosmith, Cheap Trick.

I mean, these artists weren't really the 80s as most people experienced them, I don't think:

The Fall
Hüsker Dü
Minutemen
My Bloody Valentine
Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
The Smiths
XTC

I mean, these artists weren't really the 80s as most people experienced them, I don't think

True – likewise, my perception of the 90s is a crude mixture of imprinted memories and retrospective discoveries and projections.

I guess I never completely overcame the 'the 80s were the worst decade for music ever' mentality that was somehow drilled into me at a young age.

Compared to the 90s, the 80s were far more experimental, diverse, and interesting

Music has gotten worse with every successive decade imo

but I'm old

Music peaked in 1927. There is still some good stuff out there now though.

I've stopped rating albums on RYM for the most part because it had become a meaningless chore for me but out of the 24 (non-classical) releases to which I gave five stars, only one is from the 80s and it's ECM-style chamber jazz. Nine are from the 90s, so yeah, we're all hopelessly biased.

xxp Related thought (and counterpoint) from Scott Miller in Music: What Happened (I don't necessarily agree or disagree, but it's an interesting line of argument):

The nineties were better than the eighties, and one key reason was that there was less originality. Originality is unmusical. The urge to do music is an admiring emulation of music one loves; the urge toward originality happens under threat that the music that sounds good to you somehow isn't good enough.

i.e., the 80s may indeed have been more experimental and diverse, but that didn't necessarily make the music better (for Miller, at least).

Agree to disagree. When I think of the 80s, I think of Erasure, Husker Du, and Cyndi Lauper. When I think of the 90s, I think of Silverchair, Collective Soul, and 4 Non Blondes

And the "originality is unmusical" argument would support the idea that Nirvana worshipers / misunderstanders Puddle of Mudd were somehow more "musical" than Kate Bush

I have fonder memories of Collective Soul than of all the 80s acts you just cited (I was tempted to add 'combined', but that'd be plain trolling).

Love Husker Du. Erasure can gtfo obv.

That Scott Miller quote is completely idiotic btw, esp as a defence of 90s popular music.