things you once thought socially acceptable which now horrify you to remember

Like, all my friends (female) and I who grew up together call each other dude.

In any kind of work setting though, I would never call a group of people "guys" or "dudes."

Same. It's definitely informal.

I overuse “guys” a lot. I blame growing up in the Midwest in the 80s

Feel like we should assign everybody numbers

Only if we all end up at MIT

btw has anyone put “Morrissey fandom” on here yet

nobody would admit to it iirc

Feel like we wouldn’t even be having this conversation if “folks” wasn’t a great example of the thread category (and what set off the discussion in the June US politics thread). It’s probably another detail of Obama’s exceptional political talent and charisma that he could use it in the 2010s and not immediately sound like a disingenuous huckster.

And I've never heard 'dudes' used that way fwiw.

Same. Unless you actually came from the Southern US, saying "y'all" around here would be as goofy as greeting people by saying "top o' the morning". I would think you were ironically imitating or mocking a Southern accent.

Obama should have said “we tortured some guys”

Y'all better keep your appointment with the Wicker Man, y'hear?

Wicker Dude, surely?

"What would you all like to order?"

There. Pretty sure that would work in any English-speaking setting.

each

Wicker Guy

Wicker Cuck

I don't fully understand why plural "you" isn't good enough

this is america

"what would you consumers like to order?"

It is grammatically correct and concise; it just doesn't seem to be used that way that frequently in English. Idk why; I'm guessing because it's hard to distinguish from singular "you"? xp

it is good enough

this is america

"what would you consumers like to order?"

english is spoken in i dunno how many variant dialects including mine throughout the world and id guess most of them have a version of personal pronouns for third person plural, i dunno how prevalent the same pronouns are throughout other languages but id think its safe to say they exist because there has popped up bytimes a use for them

donegal youse
mayo ye
dublin yiz

im prob missing ten more just from the free state tbh

the industry term for a group of intellectually handicapped adults in an arts based program is "consumers"

how dyou even start to give out to unruly kids without it, just to give one crucial example

tbh I will use "youse" and "y'all" in varying contexts but I don't think I police my social solecisms to the extent of some ilxors

I'm guessing because it's hard to distinguish from singular

That's true, but in French (among other languages) 'vous' can also be both singular and plural depending on the context, and it's never been a problem to my knowledge (although Quebec also has 'vous autres', which adds an extra hue). I think 'what would you guys like to order?' is ultimately about showing your customers that you don't stand on ceremony. There's a cultivated informality to it, which can come across as annoying in some contexts (not all), irrespective of the idiom's gender politics.

There is a solution, however: bringing back thou/thy/thee. Who's with me?

id advocate sooner for the party thus addressed to not be looking so hard to police the social solecisms of others, or

you can't let pricks like this get to you tbh

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I don't think it's a terrible instinct to not enjoy giving offence tho

Yeah, I thought about "vous" too and couldn't really put my finger on why it seems different. xps

I mean, if addressing a group in a professional setting, I don't think plural "you" would be hard to understand and I'm p sure it's what I'd use. "You guys" obv informal.

Thought these days the preferred word is “guests”

A tangent, but as a native English speaker it really infuriates me when a cashier finishes with a customer and immediately shouts "Following guest!" "Next guest!" is weird (because you wouldn't shout "Next!" at someone who was truly your "guest") but at least grammatically sound. But "following" without an article ("the following guest") is fucking horrific, and should never be used as a form of direct address.

Yeah, I'd definitely avoid 'you guys' unless I'm speaking to people I know.

xp

Wtf, I don't think I've ever heard a cashier shout "following guest!". Is this really a thing in the NYC area??

lads will ye follow me please thanks have we everyone grand lads grand

it may be that the republican party isnt staying awake deciding these issues id say

Wtf, I don't think I've ever heard a cashier shout "following guest!". Is this really a thing in the NYC area??

Christ, that's grim.

I feel like there are a lot of chain stores that do the "following guest" thing. uniqlo? gap?

..... next?

Still ‘next customer’ in my nearby Uniqlo.

You there.

Get over here!

On one of the other griping threads I talked about how my local NYC market's cashiers have been instructed now to just shout "Following!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qXM0nZq0RA

i hear a lot of "following guest" even when you're just walking by places!

I have never heard this said out loud.

I've never ever heard "following guest;" that must be an east coast thing. West coast they just yell "next" or mayyyybe "next customer" but usually they just fucking stand there and take forever until the line snakes around the goddamned store and maybe people get pissed and leave.

https://i.imgur.com/MDiEUWv.jpg

I am googling about the "following guest" and all the articles written about it are new york adjacent.