2020 Democratic presidential primary

...or an opening slot for Mars Votla

But seriously, here's what's up Re: Unseating Cornyn.

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/07/19/local-democrats-hoping-statewide-appeal-texas-us-senate-race/

do Bullock/Ryan/Bennet really have better polling numbers / more donors than Gravel? let the old bastard in imo

Gravel has more donors but the DNC deliberately left him off polls to juke his numbers down, so that he wouldn't be able to accurately say that Biden sucks, on TV

I thought the debate rules had to do with how people did in various national polls, not any polling the DNC was doing itself? Or am I misinformed?

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/07/19/local-democrats-hoping-statewide-appeal-texas-us-senate-race/

When I saw MJ Hegar's campaign video with her riding a Harley, I knew she was doomed. Old, white and moderate is not what's going to get anyone excited against someone who's not hated nearly on the level of Cruz.

Not THE Beeck Center for Social Impact and Innovation?

lmao

If someone proposed a “radical” idea called public education today, Beto would try to warn us that 180 million Americans would be kicked out of their schools.

Let’s leave the lazy fear mongering tactics to Trump. https://t.co/qKJ6IrlGWT

— Bill de Blasio (@BilldeBlasio) July 20, 2019

I thought the debate rules had to do with how people did in various national polls, not any polling the DNC was doing itself? Or am I misinformed?

the DNC is counting polls that don't include him as an option aiui

de blasio otm

you hate to see it

the DNC is counting polls that don't include him as an option aiui

― quelle sprocket damage (sic), 20. juli 2019 21:33 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Has he otherwise polled at 2%?

DiBlasio has been A+ as a presidential candidate

Has he otherwise polled at 2%?

― Frederik B, Saturday, July 20, 2019 3:44 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

According to 538, there's only one poll in which Gravel has met the initial 1% requirement. In that poll, he got 2% in response to the question "Which of these candidates are you considering supporting?" -- with the ability for respondents to choose multiple candidates. On the narrower question of which ONE candidate would you choose if the election were held today, he got 0%.

The problem with being a presidential candidate who says openly that you're not in it to actually become president is that people tend to write off your campaign as self-serving bullshit.

Or even if they like what you're saying, people might plan to vote for someone else.

you can think it’s quixotic or a waste of time or annoying or disrespectful or a distraction from real issues, but it’s literally impossible to read David Oks’ & Henry Williams’ campaign for someone else to call out the DNC on television & shame worthless candidates as “self”-serving

So who does it serve?

The 9th grader they hired to triage their email?

Yeah, these two teens whose names you all of a sudden know could definitely never be thinking they would get something out of this... lol

The purpose of the Gravel campaign is to expose the US to political perspectives further to the left than Bernie Sanders. They want to do this for a few reasons:
-Expose those watching the debates to leftist ideas
-Call out the imperialist records and intentions of the more centrist candidates to damage their campaigns
-Provide a further-left foil to Bernie Sanders, allowing the Sanders campaign more room to maneuver and potentially pull them further to the left.

Those are the stated goals of the Gravel teens from their interview on the Current Affairs podcast. In an interview with Gravel on the Srsly Wrong podcast, he stated similar goals, but also emphasized that he wants to promote an idea he has of changing the political system to promote direct democracy.

Y'all are way to cynical. You should remember that the thing that tends to differentiate the far left from other political tendencies is that they actually believe what they're saying.

xps - Of those three goals, there's a chance that the first could be achieved in a quite minimal way, but wholly dependent on channels outside broadcast or print media. The other two goals cannot be achieved without success in the first one more substantial than what has been achieved so far. In presidential politics numbers don't have much meaning until they reach at least a million.

Right, they’re just thoroughly incompetent at achieving it, and yet still really, really good at blaming everyone else when they fall short.

Y'all are way to cynical. You should remember that the thing that tends to differentiate the far left from other political tendencies is that they actually believe what they're saying.

these two teens whose names you all of a sudden know could definitely never be thinking they would get something out of this

I had to look ‘em up just for the purpose of typing them itt. And if they do get something out of it, then that’s proof that it wasn’t serving Gravel.

Their stated goal from the start was to get Gravel on the debate stage. They actually did get enough donors to fulfill the DNC's initial requirements for a candidate to get on the stage, but the DNC changed the rules in a way that excludes them. From the start, they've planned to give away all campaign donations to charity.

BTW, apologies for this admittedly stupid post of mine:

Y'all are way to cynical. You should remember that the thing that tends to differentiate the far left from other political tendencies is that they actually believe what they're saying.

I wrote that way too quickly and didn't express what I wanted to. What I was trying to say was this: I tend to trust that far-left politicians believe in what they're saying more often than politicians from other political tendencies because there's not the kind of organized money and power behind the far left that exists for the center and the right. Gravel's rhetoric was never going to win him an election or get big money donors. People don't get rich off of radical left politics.

Then just eliminate the pass-through and tell people to donate to charity. Gravel himself has said he just wants to see a Sanders/Gabbard ticket. The whole schtick is only mildly less preposterous than all the 2% milkmen running for Secretary of Labor or whatever.

People don't get rich off of radical left politics.

― OneSecondBefore, 21. juli 2019 20:18 (twenty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Um, tell that to the Chapo guys. There's def money on the left, why would nobody want it?

There's no Heritage Institute of the left. No communists are getting Koch money. We've never had a socialist president. Corporations aren't lobbying for direct democracy.

The fact that one podcast makes a living through crowd funding is not evidence that there's equivalent money on the left as there is on the right. Give me a break.

*Heritage Foundation

The fact that one podcast makes a living through crowd funding is not evidence that there's equivalent money on the left as there is on the right. Give me a break.

― OneSecondBefore, 21. juli 2019 20:54 (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Don't know about a break, but fp'd you for ott strawmanning

Fred c'mon fp for strawmanning? Strawmanning is a core ilx value

I said "there's not the kind of organized money and power behind the far left that exists for the center and the right" and you quoted just the last sentence of that post out of context and rebutted it with Chapo Trap House, so who's the one strawmanning here?

x-post: Well, yeah, but so is excessive fp'ing

Fred making a strong vmic return to US politics threads

fp'd fred for deviating from core ilx values but also because of ilx core values

I am somewhat encouraged by this basic truth getting through to a moderate who seems to be surrounded by a lot of DNC received wisdom types. He’s not a good candidate but the fact he thinks this is a sign of progress.

Pete Buttigieg: "If we adopt a platform that's way out to the left, [Republicans are] going to say we're socialists. If we adopt a more moderate or conservative platform, they're going to say we're socialists. So we might as well just do what we think is right." pic.twitter.com/rx4Ve6hoOh

— The Hill (@thehill) July 21, 2019

otm (to caek's thoughts)

caek, you are my president

Thank you you’re in the army now

sir, given my previous, regrettable attitude toward this nation i never really thought i'd be so proud to say this, but

USA forever, let the flag fly across the entire world! give me a gun and let's put some points on the board!

God damn it feels good to be right

Is there room for one more in god's country y/n

lol what an absolute dork

.@BetoORourke challenges staff to a push-up competition in SUX Airport. Our flight is delayed so he says “we gotta make use of this time.” pic.twitter.com/2NPdxmXZka

— Ben Pu (@BenPu_nbc) July 20, 2019

god, he really belongs in austin

the well-named SUX airport.

Well, I guess it got him in the news, sorta, which was probably his goal. Sucks to be in the news for being a dork though

Beto's dorkiness is kind of endearing, until you imagine him appointing a cabinet or presiding over the National Security Council, where it loses its charm in a hurry.

All Joe Biden has to do is not do this and he did this pic.twitter.com/3Lkmx3IZJn

— Caleb Hull (@CalebJHull) July 21, 2019

i can't take this year