didn't know we had fans of Reaganaut Propaganda Shit here
will this one go full Trumpist? ie the big final bombing of [Whatever]istan will be recalled at he last minute.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 July 2019 15:02 (four years ago) link
rmde
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 19 July 2019 15:12 (four years ago) link
Tom Skerritt is still around, why isn't he in this thing? Or Kelly McGillis? Or Anthony Edwards as Cruise's ghost friend who gives him advice?
On the other hand, Manny Jacinto is in it, which is good. On the other other hand, Miles Goddamned Teller is in it.
― I don't get wet because I am tall and thin and I am afraid of people (Eliza D.), Friday, 19 July 2019 15:22 (four years ago) link
Maybe the twist is that in this one Tom Cruise is a Russian agent.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 July 2019 15:31 (four years ago) link
america, russia, whatever. maverick's only in it for the jazz
― mookieproof, Friday, 19 July 2019 15:39 (four years ago) link
the original top gun is a fairly apolitical movie considering. sure, the impetus for the movie is the sort of fashy enthusiasm for gleaming new technological wonders of warfare sort of à la the italian futurists, but the actual meat of the piece is essentially a sports movie - with simpson/bruckheimer and scott's days of thunder being essentially a poor redo of top gun with the action transposed to the world of nascar.
the whole competitive, locker-room grab-assing aspect of top gun is pure fiction - irl the "top gun" course has no winner and is not a competition. the technical advisor on the picture pointed out that they didn't have their classes take place in air-hangars and there wasn't a culture of broing down in the locker room after training but simpson and bruckheimer wanted more excuses to show the planes and more excuses to see tom and val in their underwear.
there's something very high school about the whole thing. there's also nary a mention of ideology or even any half-baked geopolitical rationale for the skirmishes that take place in the movie. the enemy are clearly of the state socialist kind, with their MIGs with a star painted on them. it's also extremely homoerotic and kitschy
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Friday, 19 July 2019 16:10 (four years ago) link
Nah, Chinese:
There’s a new Top Gun movie coming out. And Maverick is wearing the same leather jacket - only this time it’s Communist Party of China-approved, so the Japanese and Taiwanese flag patches are gone (screenshot on right is from the new trailer)... pic.twitter.com/gUxFNFNUKX— Mark MacKinnon (@markmackinnon) July 19, 2019
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 July 2019 16:31 (four years ago) link
in which miles teller sports a moustache in tribute to his dead dad, anthony edwards
http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLZQfnFyelTBOQ15kmHSgEbdjzLMWzZpL7&time_continue=25&v=g4U4BQW9OEk&feature=emb_title
― WHEEL! OF! FORESKIN! (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 16 December 2019 16:19 (four years ago) link
my apologies to sic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flURw76_UCU
― WHEEL! OF! FORESKIN! (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 16 December 2019 16:20 (four years ago) link
ok, i haven't watched top gun in a long time, but this is how i remember the best scene:
goose has died. tom cruise is in a hot steamy bathroom back at the base. he’s in his underwear and his head hangs down over the sink. he’s defeated. the captain walks in and sees Maverick looking so down. the captain takes a piss. Maverick starts complaining and whining about life. The captain listens for a bit. then he says, “goddammit Maverick.” and Maverick looks stung but still keeps his head down like a dick. “Don’t tell me about losing Goose. Don’t tell me I didn’t love him. We all loved Goose. GODDAMMIT MAVERICK!” and he pushes Maverick hard in the chest. Maverick’s mad now. they’re both mad. the Captain storms out and Maverick looks at the door closing, breathing hard now.
― "HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 September 2021 16:45 (two years ago) link
now i'm going to try to find that scene and compare
― "HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 September 2021 16:46 (two years ago) link
hm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmAmb36jafA
― "HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 September 2021 16:55 (two years ago) link
top gun maverick is beautifully ridiculous and i enjoyed it quite a lot
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 24 August 2022 05:36 (one year ago) link
the kilmer scene was gr8
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 24 August 2022 05:38 (one year ago) link
I never saw Top Gun and am doing an oscar sweep, figured fuckit i might as well see the original if i have to see the sequel.
I'm sure everyone already knows this as I'm forty years late to the party BUT: better than average direction that makes the aerial sequences comprehensible and enjoyable, Cruise is good and there's solid acting throughout (with the exception of McGillis who seems drugged), but holy shit this script though.Predictable and dogshit dumb, daddy-do-you-love-me-now, adolescent small dick power fantasy tech fetishism at its worst. it is also super sweaty and homoerotic as all get out. And the music and score sucks!
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 12 February 2023 07:41 (one year ago) link
how dare ufaltermeyer score rules, forks drools
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 February 2023 08:17 (one year ago) link
let the record show that my chin is dry
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 12 February 2023 08:25 (one year ago) link
How did you feel when goose died? Maverick takes it pretty hard
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 12 February 2023 15:32 (one year ago) link
Goose's breath taken away, then narcissist Maverick says MY BREATH is ALSO taken away BY THIS LADY
― Cinta Kaz is comin' to town (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 12 February 2023 15:56 (one year ago) link
i haven't seen the new one, but i'm really hoping that they realize that Goose is actually alive, but he's been working undercover for the russians for the last 30 years, ever since his "death". maverick is forced to make a difficult decision about whether or not to kill his friend as he is also forced to make some very difficult flight maneuvers in his Boeing F/A 18E/18F Super Hornet in a once in a lifetime adventure you won't want to miss
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 12 February 2023 16:19 (one year ago) link
His spirit (and moustache) are alive
― AlXTC from Paris, Sunday, 12 February 2023 16:28 (one year ago) link
maudlin and slow 'Great Balls of Fire' cover
― Cinta Kaz is comin' to town (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 12 February 2023 16:30 (one year ago) link
i think there's an essay to be written (surely HAS been written) about how this film is about failing upward. white male narcissist disobeys orders and is promoted. Meets a woman who he harasses at a bar, follows into a bathroom and is rebuffed, subsequently discovers he's working with her and still refuses to stop harassing her. Disobeys orders again, faces no consequences. Fails miserably following another breach in protocol. Is dressed down by a female co-worker for acting out, throws a fit and is spectacularly rude, somehow still lands an inappropriate relationship with the co-worker. Is directly involved in the death of his co-pilot (clearly following too close in the jetstream of another pilot in an attempt to hog glory and pays the price) but is found to be without culpability. Abandons his romantic partner without notice. Finds support with his boss, his coworkers and the wife of the co-pilot, from whom he STEALS THE DOG TAGS OF HER DEAD HUSBAND AS A MEMENTO. Fails to engage on a subsequent mission and quits but returns to the academy without notice, where he is given a diploma and promptly promoted to active duty. Flies into battle and fails to engage yet again at great risk for all combatants, then returns to the dogfight and murders several people. Is promptly hailed as a hero, reclaims his romantic partner and THROWS HIS DEAD PARTNER'S DOG TAGS INTO THE SEA.
christ what an asshole
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Monday, 13 February 2023 02:58 (one year ago) link
but jetfighters tho
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 February 2023 03:17 (one year ago) link
AND VOLLEYBALL
he is late to his first date with the woman he's been inappropriately harassing because he refuses to stop playing beach volleyball!
I have all kinds of theories on how the sequel attempts to rehabilitate this nonsensical preening with gravitas. Goose's kid is in this as a flyer right? Presumably Cruise plays the Viper role now? I'm guessing there's a lot of wistful "things have changed... we didn't know any better back then" conversations over beers and a token female flyer. Expectations are super low but i have to admit this really whetted my appetite for the sequel in a "fuck how bad is THIS one gonna be?" way.
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Monday, 13 February 2023 03:21 (one year ago) link
Maverick throws pottery with Tom Skerritt
― Cinta Kaz is comin' to town (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 13 February 2023 03:25 (one year ago) link
never mind, i'm in
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Monday, 13 February 2023 03:25 (one year ago) link
my english teacher in high school loathed Top Gun. he called it "an extended commercial for the U.S. military"
― President of Destiny Encounters International (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 February 2023 03:26 (one year ago) link
well, yeah
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 February 2023 03:27 (one year ago) link
that’s basically on the poster lol
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 February 2023 03:43 (one year ago) link
it sure did make the military look like a lot of fun! you do what you want and people love you, then you get to kill.
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Monday, 13 February 2023 03:52 (one year ago) link
your friend dies. it makes you more attractive.
― Cinta Kaz is comin' to town (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 13 February 2023 03:59 (one year ago) link
fly a cool jet, ride motor bike, wear a dope jacket covered in ridiculous number of patches i see no prob here
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 February 2023 04:19 (one year ago) link
you forgot the volleyball
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Monday, 13 February 2023 04:22 (one year ago) link
VOLLEYBALL
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 February 2023 04:49 (one year ago) link
and the Loggins
― Cinta Kaz is comin' to town (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 13 February 2023 05:06 (one year ago) link
it’s a dumb fucking propaganda movie that is (gasp!) stupid fun! and should not be taken seriously because if you do Tony Scott will come back from the dead & haunt you with jet flyovers for the rest of yr days
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 February 2023 05:15 (one year ago) link
i honestly didn't find it to be fun but it has zero nostalgia value to me so that may be the problem.
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Monday, 13 February 2023 05:42 (one year ago) link
Yeah if you consider it from the point of view of an adult watching it for the first time now, it’s a terrible movie.But for a western block kid in the 80s it was exciting and lots of fun !In both cases, TG2 is a much better movie (but still just a military blockbuster).
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 13 February 2023 06:08 (one year ago) link
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 13 February 2023 06:10 (one year ago) link
it’s not even a you had to be there thing though, or i didn’t think soi would have thought the faltermeyer score + Tony Scott namecheck + subsequently followed by TEN MINUTES of “get jets ready for takeoff ad infinitum” would have been all the indication you would need without having to be ~from~ 1986 but maybe not
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 February 2023 06:19 (one year ago) link
My favorite Tony Scott quote (from IMDb) During a break in the filming of the hangar scene a group of Navy officers being used as extras approached Tony Scott and complained about the unrealistic collection of patches on the flight suits of the actors. He replied, paraphrasing, "We're not making this movie for Navy fighter pilots, we're making it for Kansas wheat farmers who don't know the difference."
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 February 2023 06:25 (one year ago) link
i absolutely AM from 1986! but i missed this until now. different strokes.
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Monday, 13 February 2023 06:47 (one year ago) link
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 13 February 2023 09:30 (one year ago) link
in the val kilmer doc he talks about how there was kind of a “team val” and “team cruise” on set and delivers an extremely unconvincing line that despite the gossip he and cruise were always supportive of each others’ careers lol yeah buddy ok
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 13 February 2023 10:08 (one year ago) link
well i watched the sequel and i am pretty sure i hate it more than the original.
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 18 February 2023 07:19 (one year ago) link
the positives are much the same as the first one: Full committal by all the actors, Cruise is an eyecatching actor and can mostly get away with the dumbest conceivable dialogue, the dogfight sequences are generally intelligible but holy shit this script though.STILL predictable and dogshit dumb, daddy-do-you-love-me-now, adolescent small dick power fantasy tech fetishism at its worst. it no longer has the benefit of explicit homoeroticism but the music and score do still suck!
The decision to replicate not only the credits but all the main story beats, all the failson rising white narcissist savior bullshit and at least a dozen scenes note for note doesn't impress me, it only serves to show how utterly creatively bereft and unimaginative the hands on the wheel are. The inclusion of a more diverse cast and a slightly less sex pest relationship are directly undercut by Hangman's hotdog last second bailout (another bloated egotist to the rescue! let's see a woman do that!) and the cynical erasure of all the prior film's female characters. Kilmer can't even speak but he makes the cast while McGillis gets bumped for the unforgivable sin of aging. The product being sold here isn't the military, it's fucking Tom Cruise. Why the fuck did I just watch a two hour commercial for Tom Cruise? Fuck this series.
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 18 February 2023 07:27 (one year ago) link
i am glad that salahuddin got paid though.
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 18 February 2023 07:28 (one year ago) link
it was dumbbut i am a sucker for the real jet fighter shit i still go to airshows, i’m a total plane dork
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 18 February 2023 08:00 (one year ago) link