things you once thought socially acceptable which now horrify you to remember

if I posted a nude WDYLL photo would you FP (Flag Post) or FP (Fap Posthaste)

Only one way to find out.

ilxor nude selfies wouldn't really truly be nude as the glasses and beard would still be in play

cellphone radiation

this is seriously not harmful at all

― Vape Store (crüt), Friday, July 19, 2019 9:27 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Go on...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-ionizing_radiation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfgT6zx4k3Q

just plopping down and watching whatever is on tv, or making plans to watch a block of sitcom shows on a specific night is kind of dead
― untuned mass damper (mh), Tuesday, July 16, 2019 5:12 PM

I think loads of people still do this. Mostly non-internet people.

guys fucking each other
― Οὖτις, Monday, July 15, 2019 10:12 PM

You used to find socially acceptable? I'm assuming you meant to say you used to be homophobic?

He was responding to the post immediately preceding his

A more interesting discussion might be “behaviors you thought would never become socially acceptable and then they did”

Gah, sorry! Don't know how I missed that!

Iranian news agencies apparently reporting they have taken a 2nd tanker.

lol wrong thread

Capturing tankers will never be socially acceptable.

"ladies first"

usage of the word "groupie"

There's a smug arrogance (somewhere along the lines of Frank Zappa) that people associate with bad politics but sometimes I wonder if it didn't really depend on that. I tried to rewatch a documentary series about science fiction from about 20 years ago and I was getting strong vibes of this and I just couldn't be bothered with that.

You still get these people of course but I see less people using this tone as if they're the smartest person in the room. Listening to groups of them try this is nauseating.

"ladies first"

I worked next to a guy who at meetings would do the thing of standing up any time a lady was taking her seat.

We'd argue about it back at our desks. He'd say it was good manners. I'd tell him it was patronizing.

The women completely ignored it.

Flypaper in restaurants. This was quite common in many of the mom 'n' pop type of restaurants my family would eat in throughout the summer when I was a kid. Not only did we not bat an eye at the strips of yellow sticky paper hanging from the ceiling and sometimes dangling close to the table surface, we were actually *enthusiastic* about it, as in "isn't it great this place has flypaper? They must be really up on things and care about creating a clean fly-free environment for their customers!"

Somewhere around last year I found myself stopping using 'guys' to preface a casual work email and grasping for another collective term, settled on 'folks' instead, am I a savage for not realising this sooner or a hapless liberal worry-wart?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im3Zj9ZBsyU

Former then, thanks Limmy! :)

Are you really horrified by this?

Idk, there was some discussion of it on the faculty listserv the last time I had a faculty job; there were some passionate defences on the grounds that this is a proud New England idiom, which was lol to me since I've heard it in most English-speaking places I've been in and use it all the time, despite not having grown up in New England. I'm not convinced that turning "guys" into a gender-neutral address (as opposed to saying "hello ladies" or something, which I gather is what Limmy might prefer?) is in fact sexist. None of the women in that clip seem very troubled by it.

Unless it is just the imprecision that is horrifying??

The imprecision is horrifying to Limmy.

... and the Americanization, I imagine.

XXXXP - yeah, I'm only horrified by the thought that I might be repeatedly insulting a colleague on some level and have only recently thought about that possibility, I'm not *horrified* at myself for using it.

I feel Glaswegians are fairly at home to Americanisms in speech, think of Frankie Boyle and his repeated use of 'man' which me and my mates used in secondary school all the time but eventually grew out of, I guess wherever FB come up it stuck around for longer.

In my many decades I have encountered someone taking offense exactly once, telling a waitress “we are not guys, we have female body parts” - well, they were a little more specific- so there’s that.

lads

layds?

Alas 'peeps' was also ruined. Gotta be a single syllable solution though.

About 20 years ago I was working at Applebee's and got lectured by a middle-aged woman when I approached her table and asked if "you guys would like to start off with something to drink?" Since then, I've been cautious about using gender-neutral guys in professional/unfamiliar contexts but will still use it among people who seem like normal, healthy, well-balanced individuals.

'Dudes' has steadily become a catch-all in some circles (or at least used by women referring to other women or any mixed group of ppl) which I like but probably shouldn't.

Feel like maybe there was at least one thread dedicated to this particular topic a decade or so ago

But don’t think my search skillz0r are up to finding it, if it indeed ever existed

I feel Glaswegians are fairly at home to Americanisms

Not Limmy! See lloydspharmacy, all one word.

I worked next to a guy who at meetings would do the thing of standing up any time a lady was taking her seat.

Do you doff your hat or throw your coat over mud puddles?

I'm with Limmy, though I do acknowledge there are instances when "guys" can be gender-neutral:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFYMijdQ_sA

Whereas Limmy might think it's too Yankee (USA) and Sund4r says it's a Yankee (New England) idiom, I've always heard it used more by Yankees (anyone from north of 37º Latitude) than anyone.

That's why our waiters say "What can I get y'all?"

Sund4r says it's a Yankee (New England) idiom

I didn't say this! Other people at a New England school said this. I thought it was funny bc I grew up hearing it all the time in Canada.

I was once punched for calling two women "guys." To be fair, they were militant lesbians running an anti-porn protest on a street corner (they had a table full of pamphlets and a giant blown-up version of the infamous Hustler cover where a woman's body is being fed into a meat grinder). Anyway, I walked up to their table and said, "Can I get one of you guys' pamphlets?" and one of them shouted, "We're not guys!" and punched me in the chest. It wasn't much of a punch. I walked away without taking the pamphlet.

I grew up around people who use 'guys' gender-neutrally, and I've never known anyone to be offended by it.

As a side note, 'folks' strikes me as more American than Canadian. Or am I making this up?

About 20 years ago I was working at Applebee's and got lectured by a middle-aged woman when I approached her table and asked if "you guys would like to start off with something to drink?" Since then, I've been cautious about using gender-neutral guys in professional/unfamiliar contexts but will still use it among people who seem like normal, healthy, well-balanced individuals.

― ☮ (peace, man), Sunday, 21 July 2019 13:15 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

you can't let pricks like this get to you tbh

You're not, although I've been hearing it creeping in occasionally over the last 10 years or so. xp

Feel like maybe there was at least one thread dedicated to this particular topic a decade or so ago

I know it's completely unfair and a prime instance of bad linguistics but whenever I hear 'folks' I can't help but parse it as Volksdeutsche and the like.

Personally as a not-guy and not-dude I very much try to avoid using those terms gender-neutrally. Not always successfully, it takes effort to remember but it’s worthwhile effort imo. Y’all is the only way out. Youse and yins are regional variants and still preferable to guys or dudes as a catch all term for all people.

^^^

"y'all" >>>>>>>>> "guys" in every conceivable situation

I totally get where you're coming from and sympathise, but some of my female friends conversely find it insulting not to be called 'guys' because they want to be included and don't much care for such gendered distinctions. And 'y'all' is also regional in its own right (from a Canadian perspective, at least).

xp

an anti-porn protest on a street corner (they had a table full of pamphlets and a giant blown-up version of the infamous Hustler cover where a woman's body is being fed into a meat grinder

LOL @ epic point missing re: that cover

Y'all really wanna hear Brits say 'y'all'?

would "mates" work?

Youse works in Glasgow.