At the risk of stating the obvious, the July 2019 US Politics Thread is horse-sh*t

wait did Trump even tell them to stop it?

Also just, I'ma be cool, but how dare you bargain with a woman's life because you think it seems fine? She's not a THING, a bargaining chip to slide across the counter on the chance that it might slightly weaken an enemy. HOW DARE YOU.

xp you can watch the ugliness here, trump was explicitly stoking fires and generally being an ignorant fuckhead
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/07/17/trump_maga_rally_crowd_chants_send_her_back_to_rep_ilhan_omar.html

i'm sorry, you're wrong about that, forks.

When a reporter asked why he didn’t step in to quell the chant, Trump claimed some credit for doing so. “I think I did. I started speaking very quickly.”

once the chant (that appeared out of nowhere, nothing to do with him) started, he immediately stepped in. god damn he is a patriot

A lot of bad things are happening in Puerto Rico. The Governor is under siege, the Mayor of San Juan is a despicable and incompetent person who I wouldn’t trust under any circumstance, and the United States Congress foolishly gave 92 Billion Dollars for hurricane relief, much....

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 18, 2019

hate to have to say "fuck this asshole" every single day but $92 billion was the damage assessment, not even close to what we actually gave

once the chant (that appeared out of nowhere, nothing to do with him) started, he immediately stepped in. god damn he is a patriot

he didn't. he stepped away from the mic so the chant could continue

Gabby Giffords has something to tell you...

― There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Thursday, July 18, 2019 12:59 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

not america, but jo fox would have something to tell you too

btw, here's part of Omar's response:

“We have said this President is racist. We have condemned his racist remarks,” Omar told reporters. “I believe he is fascist.”

“I want to remind people that this is what this President and his supporters have done to our country that is supposed to be a country where we allow democratic debate and dissent to take place,” she added. “And so this is not about me. This is about us fighting for what this country truly should be.”

sorry to be a dullard, but for Granny's sake and ftr, no, he neither did nor said anything to stop the chant. apols for Chait content but you can see the video here: http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/trump-i-stopped-the-send-her-back-chant-he-didnt.html

he didn't. he stepped away from the mic so the chant could continue

sorry, my sarcasm level was at 100% there. he very obviously did nothing to stop them from chanting it. he wanted it, he got it, and then he stood back for a long time in silence so that it could continue.

Also just, I'ma be cool, but how dare you bargain with a woman's life because you think it seems fine? She's not a THING, a bargaining chip to slide across the counter on the chance that it might slightly weaken an enemy. HOW DARE YOU.

― There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Thursday, July 18, 2019 2:02 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

OTMFM

what... what the fuck...
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/07/17/trump_theres_a_lot_of_talk_about_ilhan_omar_marrying_her_brother_i_know_nothing_about_it.html

Phil, I strongly disagree with you about any point regarding Omar's safety.

xp twitter currently pumping this horseshit out with all the force it can

sorry, my sarcasm level was at 100% there. he very obviously did nothing to stop them from chanting it. he wanted it, he got it, and then he stood back for a long time in silence so that it could continue.

oh I knew you were being sarcastic, just didn't know if you were aware that once again he's on camera doing the exact opposite of what he said he did

I'm sorry, like, I don't even know who you are, but after giving that post a few seconds of consideration my head basically exploded. She is putting her LIFE ON THE LINE just being a public figure. And regular house members DON'T GET SECURITY, as I confirmed with a basic google search.

Yam's denial of video'd reality is very Ted Baxterish

I’ll never forget the first time I watched @Ilhan receive a death threat. It came in the mail w/ no return address. She opened it, read it, folded it back up and said “I hope they find peace.”

She’s not going anywhere. And neither are we.#IStandWithIlhan pic.twitter.com/iUY8cSB3I4

— joelle (@joellestangler) July 18, 2019

it is unbelievable what a coward this bigot is, a guy who leads people to chant his and then turns on them, blaming them for doing it, "hey it wasn't me i tried to stop it." i understand "coward" and "bigot" are a bit redundant maybe. but his willingness to throw his most rabid supporters to the wolves should be pointed out, maybe. i don't know if that would work or if it's even a decent argument against him.

Some Republicans are now criticizing the chant at the rally while maintaining that there was nothing wrong with trump’s tweets that instigated the chant

"see we wanted them to say GO back not SEND THEM back, ugh"

this is an interesting choice of words https://t.co/avlMPaf1Al

— b-boy bouiebaisse (@jbouie) July 18, 2019

also demonstrated that he's a coward but not admitting who those initial tweets were directed to. "I think you can figure it out" or whatever. total chickenshit.

Ilhan Omar on the other hand is incredibly brave for sticking through all this

america is becoming unbecoming so they won't be coming

the problem with criticizing this administration is that you're left trying to find new ways to explain why the can of creamed corn poured over the steaming pile of dogshit and served as dinner is disgusting; you end up looking the fool stating what should be obvious but even so its hard to be heard over the noise of a third of the country licking the plate

Just stared at that tweet saying "WHAT?" for a while. Wow.

Take a drink every time a republican hearkens back to the abandoned dreams of our forefathers while simultaneously betraying an ignorance of history and how the world works. I'll keep the stomach pump on standby.

the problem with criticizing this administration is that you're left trying to find new ways to explain why the can of creamed corn poured over the steaming pile of dogshit and served as dinner is disgusting; you end up looking the fool stating what should be obvious but even so its hard to be heard over the noise of a third of the country licking the plate

― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, July 18, 2019 2:42 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

the more often you try to explain how disgusting it is to them the more enthusiastic their eating becomes. The more you insist they should feel sick like you do, the happier they are to do it to make you feel sicker.

you don't even have to. just look back a few years and ask where all this "if you don't like it, leave!" crap was when they were flinging shit at Obama nonstop. hell, even look back to 2016 when Trump's core issue was that America sucked and he was the only one who could fix it.

Also just, I'ma be cool, but how dare you bargain with a woman's life because you think it seems fine? She's not a THING, a bargaining chip to slide across the counter on the chance that it might slightly weaken an enemy. HOW DARE YOU.

― There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Thursday, July 18, 2019 2:02 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

OTMFM

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, July 18, 2019 1:12 PM (forty-five minutes ago)

OTMFM X2

I mean, it's not like some tidal wave of immigrants have flooded the US and taken 'our' jobs en masse. It seems, historically, that there are factors you can point to as the catalyst for reactive uprisings, but what the fuck are these people reacting to aside from, like, rabble rousers on the internet and a dipshit president who says every stupid thing that bubbles out of his brainstem?

honestly, capitalism, they just haven't been told that's it

Middle-aged and older Americans grew up in a United States essentially without immigrants, and I think most don't know that the America of today is the historical norm, and the mid-20th-century clampdown on immigration which they see as "normal" was the anomaly.

Shame the graph can't estimate percentage figures for 1560-1860 too.

I'm so afraid for her.

For Ilhan and AOC in particular but also for everyone else who confronts hatred right now because of the militarization + relentless othering + paranoia valu combo time that we're in.

honestly, capitalism, they just haven't been told that's it

they've been told, they just don't like that answer. ironically, one of the things they hate about the squad is that they don't like their answer, which is why people like lindsey graham calls them communists

Perfect:

.@IlhanMN: “I believe he is fascist because today even Lindsey Graham defended his comments by saying that if I was wearing a MAGA hat -- if there was a Somali person wearing a MAGA hat -- they would not be deported. But because I criticize the president, I should be deported.” pic.twitter.com/nYXSmVwian

— Face The Nation (@FaceTheNation) July 18, 2019

xp: it's been said plenty, but not said by the sources that they listen to.

IMO Ilhan Omar is made of steel and her constituents (I am one, and I was so proud to vote for her) have been rallying around her all week.

For Ilhan and AOC in particular but also for everyone else who confronts hatred right now because of the militarization + relentless othering + paranoia valu combo time that we're in.

also, that this is one of the only places on earth where you have to worry about many of the hate-filled people also being proud gun owners.

really glad she used the word "fascist"

"fascially-charged"

fascial cream

anyway Trump backing down on this (somewhat) is actually a bit of a surprise...will he bring her up at the next rally? will "Send her back" become the next "Lock her up"? I can't wait to find out!!!

plantation-minded fasciitis

He got anxious calls from Cabinet members and congressmen who weren't Lindsey Graham.

He advised sending her back along with her brother who is also her husband.

I think the ex-husband was the supposed brother? It's hard to follow and I don't really care about the personal lives of politicians as long as they're not leaving a trail of human misery

GREAT NEWS

it appears that the US claims to have shot down an Iranian drone that came near a navy ship

Weirdly, I had an interaction recently with a woman in North London who said she was interested in American politics. When I said Ilhan was my Congresswoman, she mentioned the brother thing just after bringing up the accusation of anti-Semitism, in this really cutesy/insouciant way. Gross. I asked her if she was reading weird right-wing sites for kicks, because this was total bullshit.

FWIW Omar’s mother died when she was two; her ex-husband is three years younger than her.

the right are abominable shitheads everywhere but the american right boggles the damn mind.

altho now I've said that i remember that there are canadian conservatives who think that trudeau is fidel castro's son