Which artists legacies have improved/worsened during the 2010s?

"old albums with a not-insignificant fanbase on ILX that have yet to really catch on with broader music crit consensus" would be a good separate thread tho.

would really like it if there was a resurgence of interest in Rickie Lee Jones' 'Pirates'

xxxp re: “atmospheric and moody/vibey listening preferences”, Moon Pix does seem like a precursor to When We Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go? in some respects

I feel like there's a pretty endless stream of indie folkish artists that feel descended from cat power

This makes sense tho I do think watching ppl try to rev up excitement for disco in music journalism by speaking of the old evil men who hated it feels like an effort to create some kind of vitality in a genre that has kind of drifted to nu trip hop territory of inoffensiveness

There is soooo much disco & classic house fetishism here, people who are all into talking up history/roots in black & gay communities, but it's all middle-aged white dudes spinning vinyl.

That's true in part but I also think that for younger people it's precisely the "history/roots in black & gay communities" aspect that is most interesting about that music, because of how it intersects with broader contemporary political/social/cultural concerns.

In New York I went to this event Ladyland where the big headliners were like Honey Dijon, Octo Octa, Jayda G etc. and the idea that the party was explicitly framing house as a form of music of and for marginalised groups (along race / gender lines) was the pretty much the selling point - and it was totally packed.

And more broadly I do get the sense that for a lot of young people that stuff like Pose / Paris Is Burning has become their entry point to house music rather than something they become familiar with after the fact.

that’s super interesting

Paris Is Burning is way up in 2010s!

Pose/Paris Is Burning is a good entry point

Is Leigh Bowery up or down?

is zouk still hot?

lol

how is claude bolling doing ?

julie london ?

bonzo dog band ?

when will bad company FINALLY be reevaluated

Paris Is Burning is way up in 2010s!

― Hannah GAPDY (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 July 2019 01:15 (three hours ago) link

Seriously though - sometimes it seems like every gay guy under the age of 25 went to a "how to vogue" summer camp at some point in the past two years.

I don’t know this stuff well enough but I think I’m right in the broad outlines

lol i spent most of my ilx career shitting on this tendency ... but if there's a place for it surely its the thread literally asking for ppl to posit on the abstract cachet of artists across long periods of history

There is so much dull early house revivalism right now - I'm not even talking about records from the 80s or early 90s here I just mean a slavish, over-cautious recreation of the sounds.

Oh yeah I'm not terribly interested in hearing new tracks that sound like old house tracks.

But if DJs want to play, like, the Bar Dub of Barbara Tucker's "I Get Lifted" then that is fine with me.

And I have no problem if people are engaging in house/disco as a living tradition (even if it's not my preferred dance music), but it bothers me when it feels walled off as this retro museum piece. At least when those are the only nights around, aside from top 40.

i see some posters for house nights that have the "strictly for the grown and sexy" "no hats no jerseys" thing that seemed to aimed at black people of a certain age

A few years ago I saw the Unknown Pleasures poster next to Bob at the campus poster sale and it felt like a changing of the guards

guessing "a few" is standing for "31" here

― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, July 17, 2019 6:21 PM (yesterday)

This was probably around 2011 at a very boring land grant university in a remote rural location, so adjust your level of hipness accordingly.

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Bands at 10- or approaching 15-years-old are near the nadir of their music being out of time. The best quality stuff from the Meet Me In The Bathroom-era NYC bands have passed their furthest apogee and will slowly begin to come into vision again in a few years time when teenagers start chowing down on Fever To Tell and Is This It.

You’d think that but half this thread was us discussing a nu metal reassessment

I spent a lot of the 00s listening to punk bands that added Casios and the general skinny-tie, plasticy feel. The Minds, Epoxies, Jett Rink, Lost Sounds, Capricorns, Ima Robot, Coachwhips, and many others on In The Red and Dirtnap. Elena-era Fall kinda fits. Blood Visions was the apogee. Hardly a major thing, but the impulse is gone from garage rock at the moment. Had Jay Reatard lived, I expect he'd be in the doldrums now.

I’m always looking out for an unknown pleasures shirt without the damn text

There is so much dull early house revivalism right now - I'm not even talking about records from the 80s or early 90s here I just mean a slavish, over-cautious recreation of the sounds.

xxp what about Ty Segall? he always struck me as comparatively squeaky clean Jay Reatard

There is so much dull early house revivalism right now - I'm not even talking about records from the 80s or early 90s here I just mean a slavish, over-cautious recreation of the sounds.

Strong agree

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Examples? Not challenging the notion sincerely curious who/what comes to mind

I don’t have any examples of tracks that make no impression upon me, sorry. Just seems like 3 out of every 5 house 12s I hear are str8 “soul fire/daptone” for house fans and it just goes straight through me. Im an idiot, btw

I’m not asking for “house taken to a whole nother level” either

xxp Ty Segall - he certainly took over Jay's crown. He hasn't revisited that cheap-keyboard-through-guitar-amp sound of his early band Epsilions (which completely fit what I was talking about). Seems like he veers between twee psych and stoner rock influences.

Stoner rock is a legacy that's hardly budged up or down since the early 90s started dusting it off after *its* fifteen-year doldrums.

I feel like garage punk is always there, it just gets covered sometimes and sometimes it doesn't

Where's the proof that Elliott Smith's legacy has gone down? Definitely not true among my IRL people

I don’t know what it was like when he was alive or in the years immediately after his death but the fan base just seems way smaller now. I thought the documentary would be more popular and widely seen than it was. I don’t think his legacy has been effected tho, so maybe not a good example.

Just thinking about the fact that when I was in college in the early 90s it was a given that "Tempted" was one of the all-time great pop songs and the Squeeze comp "45s and under" was owned by everybody who cared about music at all -- does anybody now think about Squeeze EVER?

i saw them at Coachella and still have my copy of 45s and under

elliott smith has 1.36 mil monthly listeners on spotify. 300k or therebouts more than pavement.

on a similar note Elvis Costello seems to be much less talked about these days. 10 years ago I heard his name dropped all the time.

I think that whole wave of 1979-1983 bands that were punk-adjacent-but-ultimately-mersh is on a huge downswing, compared to the 90s/00s: Squeeze, Joe Jackson, Boomtown Rats, the Knack, the Tubes, Nick Lowe even Elvis Costello (ha, frogbs)

elliott smith has 1.36 mil monthly listeners on spotify. 300k or therebouts more than pavement.

“mersh”?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Mersh

strictly commercial

I didn't hear those artists talked about much even in the '90s/'00s (with the exception of Costello, and maybe Squeeze a little).

speaking of

I wonder about Zappa's legacy these days - when I got into him back in '04 or whatever he was described as a "genius with a potty mouth" and "funny" whereas now it's more about what an incredible asshole he was and how much garbage he put out in his career, despite being actually brilliant

costello was great and is great. the next generation of critics isn't as breathless in their praise of him as the last, but they should be. guess i'll report back from the costello/blondie show i'm seeing next week about how cool the crowd is.

nothing lost by consigning Zappa to the dustbin imo

yeah zappa is way down. i think the closest he's come to making headlines in recent years is the "fuck you captain tom" anecdote that went around when bowie died: https://ultimateclassicrock.com/david-bowie-frank-zappa-adrian-belew/

which is a great story, granted

Zappa is a great example, tho he was already going down in the 00s. totally forgot about a great documentary about him I saw maybe 4 years ago that was exclusively archival interviews. he did give a good interview. never found a way into his music.