Which artists legacies have improved/worsened during the 2010s?

memes moved slower in 2007... I feel like if the Sopranos ended today DSB would be on the level of whatever happened to Africa last year, minus the Weezer aspect (maybe)

This is based on nothing in particular but Marvin Gaye seems to be less of a staple these days.

Going back to P4k again, another reason why it only seemed like a partial-meme is because it's one of the entries in that "Pitchfork 500" book. Not denying it's meme qualities tho.

sorry that was regarding DSB

Nor do the Clash appear to be as canonical anymore.

"I'm more of a Goat's Head Soup kinda guy."

― flappy bird, Tuesday, July 16, 2019 3:01 PM (forty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i was trying to remember where i heard this anecdote, turns out it was on ILM

it came to mind because for a few weeks "goats head soup" was the only record i felt like listening to and i came around to the fact that it might be very near the top of my stones album list, maybe even #1 !! which sounds so crazy but it just feels right idk

xp marvin gaye c. "grape vine" feels very dated and the whole motown sound in general feels rather unloved, however "midnight love" era is probably another story ?

Got to Give it Up i mean Blurred Lines tho

Rolling Stone's top 500 seems like a useful starting point if we want to keep the ball rolling:

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/500-greatest-albums-of-all-time-156826

I think a big problem w/Motown in the streaming era is how all over the map they are. A new listener needs some curation that isn't always there.

That said, until recently, one of the biggest vinyl dance parties in Houston was a monthly 60s Soul thing heavy on Northern Soul, Motown etc. that seemingly drew 75% millennials.

Don't Stop Believin' got a third - fourth? ninth? - life via Glee, which a lot of generation whatever kids are today glommed onto a la the Office and Friends.

I think I've asked on other threads but forget the response, but what do Kids Today think of Elliott Smith? Or, for that matter, Nick Drake?

ES has gone down

Though they are both evergreen in certain segments (those suffering from mental illness and addiction)

xp marvin gaye c. "grape vine" feels very dated

no

Inner City Blues (Make Me Wanna Holler) - still classic

he has a lot of really great songs it turns out

and they just released that lost album he did before let's get it on but again it probably means nothing

my comment was meant to convey my perception that young ppl today hear that song and it just registers as oldies, old ppl music, and that other eras of r n b resonate more

my opinion is something else entirely

like i remember hearing peak mid-60s motown as a kid and feeling exhilarated, just totally blissed out and electrified

my speculation is that’s no longer the case but it’s just a guess

Elliott Smith has gone down for sure and seems to be fading out of time (and collective memory and recollection) really fast. The orange-stained polaroid fading into nothingness. I for sure know it's not what he'd wanted but it seems fitting somehow.

I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't some disconnect w/younger listeners regarding Gaye's '60s singles and '70s-'80s work as being by the same guy.

motown was "oldies" when Big Chill soundtrack came out in '83

was there ever a time in which Neneh's legacy wasn't secure?

the clash are great but i feel like must have seemed even greater if you were around at the time, it might be hard for ppl to understand the intensity of old-school clash fandom -- "only band that matters," etc. -- just from their records.

How are the Sex Pistols received today?

Boomers ruined Motown. honestly I never listen to that stuff myself, the overexposure in the 80s was intense.

was there ever a time in which Neneh's legacy wasn't secure?

― quelle sprocket damage (sic)

Reading through this thread from 2003:

T/S: Neneh Cherry vs M.I.A.

makes it seem like she was mostly remembered by “Buffalo Stance”, I feel like her output this decade definitely solidified and updated her legacy, the cherry thing felt like the artistic achievement that was missing in her career at that point imho.

In a similar fashion it makes me think of Scott Walker - which is why I paired them together - “the drift” will be his grand career statement when making retrospectives of his discography.

Just overheard Santana and that’s one that comes and goes huh?

In the 60’s and 70’s he was adored but then he kind of had a string of unremarkable albums and was largely forgotten in the 80’s and 90’s, then he released Supernatural and everyone caught Santana fever again, he was once again seen as one of the most legendary guitarists ever. But then... he kept releasing what felt like soulless cash grab rehashings of Supernatural and once again he faded out of public favor.

however "midnight love" era is probably another story ?

Inexplicably, this never shows up on best-of-the-'80s lists anymore, which is a shame, because it's brilliant.

makes it seem like she was mostly remembered by “Buffalo Stance

heh. there's a moderate amount of repping other material, but the thread certainly suggests her legacy was unassailed. "updated" in the last few years is relevant though, yeah.

lol at Idle Idle cameo

Johnny Cash had a renaissance last decade with the Rick Rubin albums and Walk The Line, but doesn't get talked about much anymore.

Outkast?

XP Maybe Willie Nelson has eclipsed him now, but Cash is a perennial, "I don't like Country, but I like..." artist.

Cash, for too many, has been reduced to "Hurt."

Yup, and if you find a fan who goes deeper, they probably only fuck with the Rubin stuff and the Prison albums.

To be fair, he made, like, 300 albums.

OK, 56 studio albums, 11 gospel albums, 9 live albums. There are apparently 98 Willie Nelson studio albums.

Totally anecdotal, but Cash is one of my consistent sellers Discogs - especially the 60s Columbias and any Sun stuff. It never stays around long.

Willie Nelson people just want mid-70s stuff.

every so often i'll be digging in the Willie Nelson section at a local shop and there's another record from the '80s with a garishly awful cover that I've never heard of previously. like i mean i had no idea:

https://img.discogs.com/kJNdrYc-KwmYYaBMuLZvdNJiweE=/fit-in/600x600/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-4140660-1428972570-3220.png.jpg

even after his death, idk if scott walker's rep is as high as it was circa 2006's the drift

As a youngish person who got really into Scott shortly before his death, one trend I’ve noticed (if not, especially, partaken in) is an adoption of latter-day Scott by certain online communities as a sort of “hard mode” of music that proves your bona fides if you can successfully get into it, with lots of other stuff held up as lacking in comparison to its sophistication/difficulty. Debatable whether that’s a positive or negative, but it’s certainly a component of his legacy atm.

(My personal favorite, for the record, is a video of some streamer doing a Clone Hero chart of a SOPHIE song where someone in the comments qualifies their praise with “still no Bisch Bosch”.)

That Willie & Merle looks like their chillwave record

remove everything but "seashores" and the background image and it's a sick new balearic album.

ha ha, both otm

Re: Santana
Back in the 80s and 90s he used to play yearly in Tucson at the fair and it felt like one of the biggest events in the world for a bunch of different demographic groups
Of course after Supernatural blew up he was too big to play fairs anymore

I remember in the 90s seeing his band perform as “Abraxas” - it was all the usual suspects- Schon, Areas, Rollie... anyway they were great and it dawned on me how superfluous Santana himself was to the whole operation.

uh let’s not get ahead of ourselves here, his guitar playing is great! Geez this thread

The Abraxas Pool album is one of the worst things I’ve ever heard

Santana's new album is great and has rehabbed his reputation for a lot of people, including me.

Haha I say it with love - Carlos is great. I assume you’re referring to Santana IV? It was a pleasant surprise.

Nah I meant this album https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraxas_Pool

haven’t listened to IV

oh whoops missed unpersons post