hedge fund rock
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 18:05 (four years ago) link
when did Jeff Tweedy turn into Dr. Bronner
― del griffith, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 18:05 (four years ago) link
OMG, I didn't notice the price of that vinyl, wtf
― stan by me (morrisp), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 18:14 (four years ago) link
there's a regular version that is $21!
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 18:40 (four years ago) link
How thoughtful of them to include a budget option
― One Eye Open, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 20:36 (four years ago) link
Like if you just want a beater copy to keep at your summer home that your kids can play with
― One Eye Open, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 20:37 (four years ago) link
― del griffith, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 18:05 (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
looool otm
the art of all-one
― imago, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 20:43 (four years ago) link
I mean, the price is kinda justified as a limited-run collectible?
"A 22-page clothbound hardcover embossed book printed on 100 point archival paper. The book features collages and unique hand assembled paper constructions that animate and reveal album lyrics including pages engineered with pull out die cut pockets, spinning wheels, paper doors, and unfolding gatefold spreads."
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 21:21 (four years ago) link
will nels cline hand-deliver it to my house, though?
― tylerw, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 21:32 (four years ago) link
He's got a pedal that does that.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 21:37 (four years ago) link
Glenn Kotche delivers west of the Mississippi, Mikael Jorgensen east of, Tweedy handles Chicagoland (and brings pizza!), Kline handles Hawaii & Alaska.
― frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 21:42 (four years ago) link
Pat Sansone delivers to Mexico & Canada.
the physical pain from spending $478 on a wilco advent calendar approximates one of tweedy's "diet coke migraines"
― Cecil replies to your e-mails (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 22:18 (four years ago) link
just taking Nipsey Huddle's leadalso post Spotify fuck indie rock do whatever you want
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 22:19 (four years ago) link
it's an interesting experiment — if they sell a thousand of those it's ... a lot of money!
― tylerw, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 22:32 (four years ago) link
(does the math) Yeah, seriously.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 22:35 (four years ago) link
but how much did they spend making little wilco themed chocolates to put behind the paper doors
― Cecil replies to your e-mails (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 22:36 (four years ago) link
it’s for rich people, they buy music too. It’s a really good idea.
― brimstead, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 22:50 (four years ago) link
rappers have been doing this, like the Nipsey Hussle $100 mixtape or Roc Marciano pricing his limited vinyl at over $100, they think of it like limited sneakers, make physical copies a prestige thing
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 22:56 (four years ago) link
Which they kind of are! Because who the fuck pays for music? Wilco, of course, being one of the (still) few to explicitly offer an album online for free.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 23:05 (four years ago) link
It’s interesting insofar as as figuring out the still-untapped upper price limit punters are willing to pay for bespoke/limited/luxury packages of physical music I guess.
― One Eye Open, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 00:23 (four years ago) link
For some reason I find this hilarious:
Deluxe LP $500Deluxe LP + CD $505
― Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 04:54 (four years ago) link
Lol
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 05:04 (four years ago) link
Sunn 0))) probably made more on their RAT pedal than they did on Life Metal.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 05:25 (four years ago) link
when did Jeff Tweedy turn into Dr. Bronner― del griffith
― del griffith
there's a pun based on the word "dilute" somewhere around here but i can't be arsed to make it
"A 22-page clothbound hardcover embossed book printed on 100 point archival paper. The book features collages and unique hand assembled paper constructions that animate and reveal album lyrics including pages engineered with pull out die cut pockets, spinning wheels, paper doors, and unfolding gatefold spreads."― Josh in Chicago
― Josh in Chicago
pretty sure my parents didn't pay that much for my baby books
― Un Poco Loco Moco (rushomancy), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 08:01 (four years ago) link
fwiw Our photographer was going to charge us $500 for our daughter's bat mitzvah photo album (we ultimately had it printed ourselves online). I'm sure it would have been less had we bought more than one. I did ask my wife what kind of cost the Wilco LP book (as described) could run, and she estimated at least $100 in materials and time, so the premium (and it is a premium) doesn't seem totally unreasonable to me.
What Wilco should do is set a modest price for the regular, boring album, but charge a premium for the exciting, interesting version.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 12:45 (four years ago) link
speaking of that other thread I'm definitely of the mind Wilco went from overrated to underrated in the past few years
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 14:21 (four years ago) link
Ode to capitalismOde to fleecing suckas
― calstars, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 14:52 (four years ago) link
This massive GN’R set is $499, you get a lot more bang for yr buck... and they offer financing!: https://gnrmerch.com/collections/appetite-for-destruction/products/appetite-for-destruction-locked-n-loaded-box-set
― stan by me (morrisp), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 15:11 (four years ago) link
anybody read Tweedy's book? been meaning to pick it up.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 17:40 (four years ago) link
It's pretty good. Weirdly chill.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 17:56 (four years ago) link
Heh, I emailed a friend and sent him the description of the limited edition LP but didn't tell him the price. He's an artist and graphic designer, and while he said it was more ambitious than anything he's ever worked on, he listed all the elements and labor and specific techniques ("No idea what kind of binding but from how they’re talking it up, I would expect it’s signature bound, that costs a lot. Cloth binding also adds to the spend. But the real investment is going to be those little individual paper pieces with moving parts. Each model has to be engineered, prototyped, and then custom diecuts for all of it and assembled by hand by what I hope are fairly compensated laborers," etc.) and the number he guessed was ... $500.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 July 2019 03:55 (four years ago) link
Boy are there lots of Wilco threads. Anyway, a big hunk of the new TapeOp is dedicated to Wilco/Tweedy/The Loft, and there are some great quotes. I've interviewed Jeff Tweedy before, back when he was dealing with drugs etc. and also after, and the night and day of him after getting clean and, I suspect, therapy has remained remarkable. It really injects a level of honesty and modesty and transparency into interviews that he's stuck with. This one in particular has some great quotes. "One of the benefits of not having any hits is that there're hardly any songs that we have to play! The disadvantages are fairly obvious." Or, "When I'm playing solo acoustic, I always tell people they should leave after they hear the song they wanted to hear so that I know when to stop." Worth a read, good stuff.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 27 July 2019 14:23 (four years ago) link
Jeff is one of the funniest, most interesting, most honest guys in music, and the way that he has run his band/career is super inspiring. He should be a model for any and everyone in the same field.
― alpine static, Saturday, 27 July 2019 16:46 (four years ago) link
He should be a model for any and everyone in the same field.
Is the "field" here exclusive to bandleaders only, or can it include band members too? Because it's funny to picture someone saying to the other members of the band, "you guys are aware Jeff over here is model material, right? Do yourselves some favors and be more like Jeff Tweedy, leader of Wilco, one of the best people in all of music."
― del griffith, Saturday, 27 July 2019 21:16 (four years ago) link
I guess I mostly mean anyone in Jeff's position - i.e. clearly the leader of a band and a business. For the record, I'm talking about the business as much or probably even more than the band. In fact, I think you could probably argue he's made more missteps as the bandleader than as a businessman.
But what do I know? All I'm really saying here is Jeff seems like he really has it together with the successful band and the label and the recording studio and the festival and the book and his family and he's his own boss and he gets to wake up and be creative everyday, if he wants.
― alpine static, Sunday, 28 July 2019 07:16 (four years ago) link
Well, good for him. Got the label, got the studio, got the book, got the fam. All good things! Sounds like a successful dude by many measures, and I see no reason to hold someone's success against them, but when I hear a song, it makes little difference to me how successful that person was when they wrote it. If it's a good song, it's gonna speak for itself.
I guess the song is sort of a warning to myself that YES, Love IS EVERYWHERE, but also BEWARE! I can’t let that feeling absolve me of my duty to create more.
I have difficulty relating to this perspective because I don't perceive love as something that anyone, artist or otherwise, has an obligation to "create." It's not a product, it's a feeling that we experience, and it's the nature of the artist to express that experience in an interesting way.
And I guess that could be what Jeff means in this context by his duty to "create": to share more of his experiences feeling the good feelings. And certainly he should. But, dang, when you're marketing that sharing as a $500 package that includes unique hand assembled paper constructions engineered with pull out die cut pockets, spinning wheels, paper doors, and unfolding gatefold spreads, it makes me wonder what your creative priorities really are.
Then again, I haven't actually listened to the new song yet.
― del griffith, Sunday, 28 July 2019 16:58 (four years ago) link
I'm not saying you should judge his songs by how good a businessman he has been. I don't know where you got that, but it wasn't from me.
As for the $500 record, I think this it's silly to criticize Wilco for this. They'll have a mass market version available for anyone to buy at $20 or whatever (not to mention it'll stream on Spotify - fuck Spotify, btw), and they've decided to make a fancy/cool/whatever version available to people are are willing and able to pay for it, because they know they're out there. Perfectly reasonable, imo. I mean, at least they're getting something tangible and artsy for their money.
It seems very strange to question Jeff Tweedy's creative priorities at this point, but to each his own!
― alpine static, Sunday, 28 July 2019 23:38 (four years ago) link
everyone was right, this is their best album in ages
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 4 October 2019 17:42 (four years ago) link
I prefer the last two... the playing is nice on this one, but the songwriting doesn't seem as strong (maybe it'll grow on me). Key track: "Everyone Hides"
― Spry at 78 (morrisp), Friday, 4 October 2019 18:44 (four years ago) link
feels like an album of "radio cure"s to me
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 4 October 2019 18:51 (four years ago) link
I liked Star Wars but not Schmilco. Sad they've not done any long songs here. I don't actually have anything to say
― imago, Friday, 4 October 2019 19:10 (four years ago) link
I don't actually have anything to say
sums up their post-whole love output pretty well, i reckon.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 4 October 2019 19:14 (four years ago) link
Reminds me of the last Radiohead in the sense that it’s very crisp and well put together but too placid to really get excited about.
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Friday, 4 October 2019 19:16 (four years ago) link
the last radiohead record was not too placid to get excited about!
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 4 October 2019 19:17 (four years ago) link
both construct an ominous dreamy atmosphere out of very few elements though so fair comparison
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 4 October 2019 19:19 (four years ago) link
lol @ moon shaped pool having "very few elements"
it seems like, anymore, wilco is just recording songs so that they can replicate them exactly in a live setting. kind of takes the fun out of releasing studio albums imo. but also explains why they're such a great live band.
speaking of which: would love a sequel to kicking television.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 4 October 2019 20:10 (four years ago) link
ok what i meant was that the record is relatively quiet i guess
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 4 October 2019 20:14 (four years ago) link
but it doesn't take much for "daydreaming" or "desert island disk" to sound ominous, the strings in the former just darken the clouds
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 4 October 2019 20:16 (four years ago) link
ahh, gotcha.
yeah, it is a very dynamic record. that's part of the appeal for me.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 4 October 2019 20:20 (four years ago) link
I like how gentle this album is.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 October 2019 21:04 (four years ago) link
They almost always find interesting ways to be boring.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 October 2019 21:08 (four years ago) link
I didn't become a fan until Star Wars -- is Nels Cline still playing with them? Maybe he was part of the "secret sauce" on that album(?)
― Spry at 78 (morrisp), Friday, 4 October 2019 21:40 (four years ago) link
(...looking back, I see he played on Wilco albums going back to 2007 -- so maybe not. Looks like this is their first without him for a while.)
― Spry at 78 (morrisp), Friday, 4 October 2019 21:53 (four years ago) link
he's on this new record
― tylerw, Friday, 4 October 2019 21:56 (four years ago) link
Ah, Wikipedia's out of date then
― Spry at 78 (morrisp), Friday, 4 October 2019 21:59 (four years ago) link
wikipedia says he’s on the record and in the band
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 4 October 2019 22:01 (four years ago) link
He's been a member since the Ghost tour, so he's on every album since then. Though I admit it can be tricky, since Tweedy is a pretty good skronky guitarist when he wants to be.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 October 2019 22:02 (four years ago) link
I was looking at his personal Wikipedia page, which stopped at Schmilco. Sorted now, thx
― Spry at 78 (morrisp), Friday, 4 October 2019 22:07 (four years ago) link
I just finished Tweedy’s book a couple of nights ago so I was definitely primed to like this one, and it’s certainly not bad, maybe it’ll grow on me.
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Saturday, 5 October 2019 01:25 (four years ago) link
I revisited Star Wars and Schmilco this afternoon, and they’re both just so good. Even if nothing else this band does ends up connecting with me, I’m really thankful for that period of sync-up.
― Spry at 78 (morrisp), Saturday, 5 October 2019 01:51 (four years ago) link
the reverse describes my feeling on the post-Whole Love output including this one
― Simon H., Saturday, 5 October 2019 02:41 (four years ago) link
I think they're both tenable positions. Depends on the day, I guess.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 5 October 2019 12:50 (four years ago) link
"we were lucky" is like "bull black nova" part two, gradually taken over by growling unease. it is really not boring
― american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 October 2019 14:32 (four years ago) link
and "quiet amplifier" is only six minutes long but it's about as good as a stretched out atmospheric wilco song gets
― american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 October 2019 14:35 (four years ago) link
feels like an album of "radio cure"s to me― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, October 4, 2019 2:51 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, October 4, 2019 2:51 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink
I am immediately listening to this album
― flappy bird, Sunday, 6 October 2019 21:45 (four years ago) link
Lots of «Kamera» in here as well, maybe side a of YHF in general. I really like it.
― Mule, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 11:56 (four years ago) link
this is a beautiful record, damn. highlights for me are the stretch from 'one and a half stars' to 'white wooden cross,' and i love the spindly guitar and plunking piano on 'love is everywhere'
― flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Thursday, 10 October 2019 20:34 (four years ago) link
Love Quiet Amplifier but 10 plays in and struggling to remember most of the rest
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 10 October 2019 23:39 (four years ago) link
I've pretty much fallen for this. Tweedy sounds (relatively) content.
― Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Friday, 11 October 2019 16:43 (four years ago) link
I'm with you Paul. Quiet Amplifier and Love is Strange are the highlights for me. The rest, I like it while I'm listening but I don't find it super memorable. Also how I felt about Schmilco.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 11 October 2019 17:51 (four years ago) link
The songs on Schmilco glisten for me with tension and purpose, in both composition and performance.
― drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Friday, 11 October 2019 18:12 (four years ago) link
Haven't had a chance to listen to this yet, but hearing Kot and DeRogatis go on about how boring it is and how much they don't like it basically confirms that it'll probably be my favorite Wilco record in awhile.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 11 October 2019 19:16 (four years ago) link
I like the first few songs a lot... then the next few ("1.5 Stars" & "Quiet Amplifier") feel kind of slack & rote. "Quiet Amplifier" is groovy (as mentioned above). "White Wooden Cross" feels sleepy, and I guess its melody is either "classic" (in a Dylan-ish mode) or paint-by-numbers, depending on how it hits yr ears. The next few traxx are sorta dull ("We Were Lucky" drags on too long). I don't care for "Love Is Everywhere." The final two songs are good, but not exceptional (I dig: Eight tiny lines of cocaine / Left on a copy machine). FINAL RATING: B
― drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Friday, 11 October 2019 20:16 (four years ago) link
"Quiet Amplifier" is groovy (as mentioned above).
I meant "Everyone Hides"... whatever
― drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Friday, 11 October 2019 20:29 (four years ago) link
Determined to get into this album one way or another. It all sounds pleasant enough...
But then again Citizens sounds like the most pointless Wilco song ever
― PaulTMA, Friday, 11 October 2019 20:30 (four years ago) link
Definitely not an album of "Radio Cure"s. It's fine in the same whelming way the other three Wilco albums this decade have been. I can't believe how quickly it's over when it ends.
― Wally P. Doyle, Sunday, 13 October 2019 05:46 (four years ago) link
I'm just listening now. Holy shit
― flappy bird, Monday, 14 October 2019 01:51 (four years ago) link
Kind of a weird album to spend $500 on.
― drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Monday, 14 October 2019 02:00 (four years ago) link
Revisiting. I like this record a lot (not quite as much as Schmilco) but it’s a weird one - like, there’s a real sense of anemia for until just before the middle, the album gradually sorta waking up
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 9 February 2022 03:20 (two years ago) link
def one of the most appropriate album covers in their discog, whole record feels like an emphasis on negative space
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 9 February 2022 03:22 (two years ago) link
True
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 9 February 2022 03:23 (two years ago) link
“Wilco February”
As much as I’ve always kinda liked these guys (and don’t get mad at me) I’ve never heard anything pre-Summerteeth. Dunno why, just never felt compelled to go back.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 9 February 2022 03:24 (two years ago) link
Still pending: TWEEDY, and most of JT’s solo catalogue. I know it’s there, and I’ll get to it eventually.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 9 February 2022 03:27 (two years ago) link
Xpost I think you'd find Being There worth your time
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 9 February 2022 04:08 (two years ago) link
tweedy is really dope, sort of a proto-star wars/schmilco
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 9 February 2022 17:11 (two years ago) link
Had to look through this again to remind me what's on here, but I really enjoy "North American Kids," "If I Ever Was a Child," "Cry All Day," "Someone To Lose" and "Locator" (including it's primitive oddball stick-figure video). I don't think it's an album I'd want to hear in its entirety again, but those are excellent, dark, low-key songs.
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 9 February 2022 18:32 (two years ago) link
Agh, WRONG album and thread
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 9 February 2022 18:33 (two years ago) link
For this one, it would be "Love Is Everywhere (Beware)," "Everyone Hides" and "Hold Me Anyway."
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 9 February 2022 18:34 (two years ago) link
I love "Love is Everywhere" but aside from that, this album falls under "pleasant but forgettable."
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Wednesday, 9 February 2022 19:08 (two years ago) link
Quiet Amplifier is up there with their best
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 10 February 2022 02:17 (two years ago) link