At the risk of stating the obvious, the July 2019 US Politics Thread is horse-sh*t

pointing out problems and explaining her solutions

Part of the problem is that many of these problems aren't deemed such. Official economic figures, a businessman in the White House, low unemployment rates, etc. are enough to make most of the hesitant 'forget' the rest.

what personal negatives about Trump can be highlighted that are going to make people change their minds? it's all out there, which is why it's a losing proposition. all of Trump's shit was out there well in advance of the '16 election and remains out there, and anything new is going to have no effect ("he raped someone? ok whatever more fake news...."), which meant that any minor bump in the road for Hillary was going to have a worse effect on her than anything would have on Trump. which is why Comey's "hang on we're just checking something in her emails again, oh never mind it's nothing" maybe cost her the election.

Trump lost Minnesota in 2016 by only 44 k votes. His 2020 Minnesota strategy is to make the election a referendum on Ilhan Omar and by extension the 5th congressional district.

Facebook Grampas like to point out the Omar's district is THE Al Qaeda hot bed in the whole USA.

sorry that was garbled but i think any minor personal issue with any of these candidates is going to have a markedly worse effect than anything they try to sling at Trump even if it's twenty times worse. or one hundred times worse.

He started historically low (low 40s) and has been in the 35-45% window ever since. Nothing gets him below 35. Maybe an economic crash.

― Karl Malone, Tuesday, July 16, 2019 1:25 PM bookmarkflaglink

Around inauguration, he was close to 50%. The drop to low 40s happened shortly after that.

He was also in the upper 30s prior to the tax reform. That seemed to get him a permanent boost into the 40s.

But he stays there for no reason other than 90+% of Republican voters say they approve of him. They're the sole reason.

Warren "scamming" her way into college by lying about NA ancestry is somehow a bigger deal than Trump scamming thousands of people with a fake university. Nothing matters, this country is full of dumbfucks.

Maybe the Dem candidate should send dem voters a note saying ignore the campaign and say nothing but hateful shit and get elected and be all like just kidding

In any case our best outcome is Trump dropping the fuck dead. Heart attack, stroke, i don't care. I no longer care if he gets "held accountable"

I think the Epstein thing has legs because it involves children (cf. Roy Moore). Trump views it as a problem, which is why he started acting out as soon as the Epstein story started dominating the cycle.

why Comey's "hang on we're just checking something in her emails again, oh never mind it's nothing" maybe cost her the election.

no maybe about it

I know people are still shellshocked about 2016 but lets look at the facts for a bit. Hillary Clinton was the most unpopular Democratic nominee ever, in no small part due to 25 years of sustained right-wing attacks against her, including 9 Benghazi investigations whose stated purpose was to lower her poll numbers. 10 days before the election, she was rocked by a re-opening of what was the biggest knock against her, the one "issue" the MSM talked about more than literally anything else. Despite all this, she won the popular vote by about 3 million, but lost the election due to the quirks of the electoral college, losing states like Wisconsin which she'd never campaigned in (a mistake the Dems are not going to repeat in 2020).

yes, Trump has the incumbent advantage, but look at his popularity - even with a strong economy and no wars (yet), he still can't get above 42-43%, indicating that there is indeed a hard ceiling to his support. we despair that he can seemingly never lose the bottom 35% or whatever but at the end of the day he can't do any better than where he is now. 2018 was widely seen as a referendum on Trump and he got destroyed. I still think the Dems are going to be big favorites in 2020. Obviously I won't put it past them to fuck it up, a process which I can see starting already, but still. "How do we beat Trump?" should not exactly be a big question mark for these people.

I think the Epstein thing has legs because it involves children (cf. Roy Moore). Trump views it as a problem, which is why he started acting out as soon as the Epstein story started dominating the cycle.

― Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Tuesday, July 16, 2019 1:45 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I don't think most of Trump's base equates grown men having sex with 15 year-old girls as child rape. "She told me she was 18" is more than enough of excuse for those people.

It seems like on most Dem fuckups, Trump takes a dive 1/4 into his victory lap.

I think the Epstein thing has legs because it involves children (cf. Roy Moore). Trump views it as a problem, which is why he started acting out as soon as the Epstein story started dominating the cycle.

― Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Tuesday, July 16, 2019 1:45 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I don't think most of Trump's base equates grown men having sex with 15 year-old girls as child rape. "She told me she was 18" is more than enough of excuse for those people.

― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, July 16, 2019 1:57 PM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

You are right about 90% of his voters. You are really looking to suppress the vote of the last 5-10% who have any sort of conscience.

I am not saying this is your sole message. You also speak about policies that will appeal to YOUR base to turn out your own vote. But turning the other cheek instead of getting in the mud and taking a few swings is dumb.

Its not so much about turning the other cheek its about trying to control the narrative. The narrative right now is his comments on Ilhan and the others, and the child rape thing is forgotten. Winning or losing this fight is an irrelevance to him, whats important is to have this fight instead of anything Epstein related

You are really looking to suppress the vote of the last 5-10% who have any sort of conscience.

exactly. Hillary's "I should be 50 points ahead" comment felt particularly tone deaf from someone who'd been in public life for three decades - that is simply not the way electoral politics work. whoever said a ham sandwich would get 40% of the popular vote was absolutely right. Trump has no room for error in 2020. pick the issues that actually do drop his numbers a tad and press 'em. even if it's "hey asshole, where's your stupid wall?"

"obstructionist Dems who care more about MS-13 than US citizens & want open borders illegally blocked me from building a great beautiful wall"

This conversation is great, we definitely haven’t done this on every single monthly thread

Relitigate-Gate

Treeeeeshiip where arrrrrre you

just c+p his posts from last month's thread into this one

Can we talk instead about how uncomfortable the next week or so is going to be in the Conway household?

let’s not play into the conways’ fetishes pls

Yes, I feel like their divisive public stances re: Trump is all just foreplay, to be both blunt and gross.

50 shades of trolly cosplay

donald trump doesn't have a racist bone in his body!
he does have a racist brain, tho.
― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili)

AOC reading the thread

You’re right, Mr. President - you don’t have a racist bone in your body.

You have a racist mind in your head, and a racist heart in your chest.

That’s why you violate the rights of children and tell the Congresswoman who represents your home borough, to “go back to my country.” https://t.co/adlCUO7r0v

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) July 16, 2019

greetings lurker aoc

Missed chance for kidney hearts. u_u

anything one might say about trump is out of order

Regardless of the content of Trump’s racist statement, Democrats are going to have a hard time not taking down Pelosi’s words.

Jefferson’s Manual literally says you can’t refer to a statement by the President as racist on the House floor. pic.twitter.com/CeIJA24TS9

— Matt Fuller (@MEPFuller) July 16, 2019

Any teacher recognizes the debate they're having right now as your #1 default out: "I didn't say you're an idiot, I said what you did was idiotic."

stopped clock theory of racism

if you look at the clock a few times and it says it's not quite noon but it's within a certain margin of error, you think hey, I usually only check when it's nearly time for lunch so it's probably running a little slow or fast

if you check it by looking throughout the day and it always says it's around noon, you have a racist clock

Using decades of experience in government to pass a resolution condemning the President’s posts pic.twitter.com/QiUobys05O

— Patrick Monahan (@pattymo) July 16, 2019

"shoot someone on 5th Ave" is prob more accurately stated as he could do it, people would spend the next week arguing whether it truly was murder and then it'd be forgotten

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/453383-house-votes-against-striking-pelosi-remarks-from-record

The House voted against striking Speaker Nancy Pelosi's (D-Calif.) floor remarks blasting President Trump from the record on Tuesday after the House parliamentarian in a rare rebuke of the Speaker said her comments violated House rules.

The vote on the motion to strike Pelosi’s remarks failed in a 190-232 vote with no Democratic support. Every Republican voted in favor of the motion.

Every Republican voted in favor of the motion.
Every Republican voted in favor of the motion.
Every Republican voted in favor of the motion.
Every Republican voted in favor of the motion.
Every Republican voted in favor of the motion.

“What has really happened here is that the president and his supporters have been forced to endure months of allegations of racism,” said Representative Dan Meuser, Republican of Pennsylvania. “This ridiculous slander does a disservice to our nation.”

holy shit, is this what it's like to be red pilled. it turns out that everything i knew was wrong. thank so much, dan meuser

It's funny how a lifetime of acting like a racist leads people to believe that you are a racist

Being blatantly racist in an era where racism is cool and wins elections and puts a racist president in the White House is one thing. But being forced to endure months of allegations of racism, that is truly something else. When will the world finally end the suffering of the racist white man being forced to endure these allegations?

I like Swalwell ignoring the parliamentarian (or whoever she was): fuck the House rules. There are no rules anymore.

The House on Tuesday voted to formally admonish President Trump, approving a resolution condemning as “racist” his tweets targeting four minority congresswomen.

The 240-187 vote fell largely along partisan lines, as GOP leaders had rushed to the president’s defense in whipping against the measure.

Just four Republicans, Reps. Susan Brooks (Ind.), Brian Fitzpatrick (Pa.), William Hurd (Texas) and Fred Upton (Mich.), broke with party ranks to join every voting Democrat, revealing the extent to which Trump’s incendiary remarks had jarred Capitol Hill and forced even some of his closest allies to denounce his behavior.

that last sentence is hilarious and terrible

revealing the extent to which Trump’s incendiary remarks had jarred Capitol Hill and forced even some of his closest allies to denounce his behavior suckle at his taint.

fixed.

I hate you for planting that image in my head.

get yrself a cool shirt yall (but do NOT under any circumstances ~fuck~ la migra)

Your helping of schadenfreude, featuring Tennessee's disgraced speaker of the house. Money quote:

"Due to his advanced age and the circumstances of his unemployment, it is highly unlikely that Mr. Casada will be able to secure comparable employment."

In 2009, Casada was one of the plaintiffs in a lawsuit in federal court, Captain Pamela Barnett v. Barack Hussein Obama, which claimed that Barack Obama was not an American citizen and therefore ineligible to be President of the United States. Judge David O. Carter ruled that Casada and other state legislators did not have standing to sue, since the supposed harm they feared was "highly speculative and conjectural."[4]

House resolution included praise for Reagan

fuck that

Chris Cuomo's generally unbearable, and I don't watch him often, but I had CNN on for most of yesterday. This was kind of amazing. You throw the softball question out there to presumably set the interviewee up a for second question, but the second question, whatever it was, becomes unnecessary.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/07/17/kris-kobach-asked-would-he-support-admittedly-racist-president-trump-cpt-sot-vpx.cnn

That reminded me of Trump's "I've got to find out more about this David Duke guy before I say anything bad about him" answer to Tapper

The Big Wet Boy's gonna be in my state tonight, promising to "talk also about people who love, and hate, our Country (mostly love)!"

Can't wait!