i've read a lot of wrong things on this board. i'd almost consider suggest banning for this wrong of a statement.
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Monday, July 15, 2019 6:26 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
― lowercase (eric), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 13:26 (four years ago) link
"I don't actively read lyric sheets, but I love to sing along with songs if I can. I just sort of absorb the words over time. So as a listener/consumer of music, my bar is set to "not hopelessly stupid". If they can surpass that then I'm good. If they truly are great lyrics, then I tend to love the album/song even more."
Perfectly describes my experience as well! Sometimes I make fun of myself when I catch myself singing gibberish. Happens when I know a song really well that otherwise has unintelligible lyrics.
― Evan, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 13:32 (four years ago) link
from a piece in The Ringer about Sufjan Stevens' 50 states project that never was:
The tipping point came in late July. Pitchfork, the increasingly influential arbiter of indie (full disclosure: I am a contributor there), had given the album a lukewarm review—“a 7.5,” Gill claims, “and it wasn’t Best New Music.” Except the site’s top editor, Ryan Schreiber, had not actually heard it. “We were bugging him to actually listen to it. And then he listened to it and he freaked out and he was like, ‘I can’t believe we gave this album a 7.5,’” Gill says.
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 15:03 (four years ago) link
That came up when Ryan S. retired, I think a writer complained about the original piece being replaced (there may be discussion above).
― stan by me (morrisp), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 15:07 (four years ago) link
I was more amused at the idea of a 7.5 being "lukewarm" but it's all pretty silly.
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 15:09 (four years ago) link
10: This album is really important, ok? This is a big moment for our culture. Otherwise it's just a reissue of a well known classic.9.6 - 9.9: Reissues of classic albums9.0 - 9.5: This album is really important, ok? This is a big moment for our scene. Otherwise it's just a reissue of a little known classic. 8.5 - 8.9: Best New Music, AKA highlight with appeal potential outside of its genre8.3 - 8.4: Best New Music but ymmv8.0 - 8.2: Solid genre albums that appeal to only those invested in the genre6.0 - 7.9: Yawn. Oh did you guys put out an album? Oh, sweet.5.0 - 5.9: DUD0.0 - 4.9: Go fuck yourself!!
― Evan, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 15:53 (four years ago) link
7.0 - 7.9 is writer thought this should be bnm (the best records are here)
― devvvine, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:00 (four years ago) link
At height of pitchfork dominance - not getting Best New Music or anything much less than an 8 would definitely effect how much some indie stores ordered in, whether any end of rack placement would happen, etc etc. It definitely wrecked more than a few amazing records.
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:18 (four years ago) link
Raw album score+.05 for each year that has elapsed its since release+ 1.0 if artist has died+ 0.5 if this album can stand in for reviewing an entire genre/scene---------------= Adjusted score
That mean's Aaliyah's raw score is 7.4
― enochroot, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 19:07 (four years ago) link
I don't think they did BNM back then did they? 2004?
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 21:59 (four years ago) link
I think they've done it at least since 2003.
― ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 22:04 (four years ago) link
Yeah, that would be about right for that particular effort. Good, but hardly one of the greatest records ever made, which 9.3 would suggest it was.
― does it look like i'm here (jon123), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 11:44 (four years ago) link
incorrect
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 18 July 2019 06:17 (four years ago) link
Aaliyah would have to be one of the best mainstream R&B albums of the past twenty years or so (IMO the only albums to rival it would be the respective debuts of Teedra Moses, The-Dream and Electrik Red, off the top of my head) - I'm surprised that P4K gave it a 9.3 but it more than deserves it.
― Tim F, Thursday, 18 July 2019 06:28 (four years ago) link
Yeah, that's me told, eh?
― does it look like i'm here (jon123), Thursday, 18 July 2019 09:25 (four years ago) link
so is today Stereolab day or something?
― flappy bird, Thursday, 18 July 2019 16:17 (four years ago) link
i love emperor tomato ketchup and this is a good review but these lines are cringe death
They made dialectics you can dance to, and that was revolution enough.
The song proved that having access to everything only works if you can get it into the groove, and that marching can be dancing if you do it right.
Shuji Terayama’s tiny fascists in Tomato Kecchappu Kôtei might have fallen victim to their self-indulgence, but Stereolab had higher hopes. Pleasure might not bring capitalism down, but it can definitely lift us up.
― flopson, Thursday, 18 July 2019 16:21 (four years ago) link
every day is Stereolab day
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 18 July 2019 16:24 (four years ago) link
when i first got into stereolab and ETK, i had zero idea about their politics and never noticed anything in the lyrics
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 July 2019 16:27 (four years ago) link
gettin pretty lackadaisical with that 'experimental' tag these days
https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/?genre=experimental
― j., Thursday, 18 July 2019 16:32 (four years ago) link
I kind of like those quotes, especially "dialectics you can dance to", I'm more put off by the high rating for Mars Audiac Quintet vs Transient.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 18 July 2019 16:38 (four years ago) link
xpost Noted avant-garde composer Lou Barlow
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 18 July 2019 16:38 (four years ago) link
^That must have been a metadata error, it's a total meat-and-potatoes rock album.
― stan by me (morrisp), Thursday, 18 July 2019 16:52 (four years ago) link
Btw -- re: the Stereolab reviews (and the earlier discussion above), this Sherburne piece is a terrific example of focusing on music rather than leaning on lyrics (and doing it really well).
― stan by me (morrisp), Thursday, 18 July 2019 18:00 (four years ago) link
I'm not a Stereolab fan but I'm gonna listen to that album ASAP, based on that review. That's what a compelling music review can do!
― stan by me (morrisp), Thursday, 18 July 2019 18:01 (four years ago) link
welcome, comrade!
― maffew12, Thursday, 18 July 2019 18:05 (four years ago) link
I hope no one falls for the recent reissue campaign because of this.
Go to Amoeba, everyone. All of these albums can be had for less than the price of one of the reissues.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 19 July 2019 15:29 (four years ago) link
I loved Sherburne's EBTG appraisal earlier this week.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 July 2019 15:30 (four years ago) link
The reissues have been great, and at least here in Austin, you can't find the originals. The 1972 versions are not original.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 19 July 2019 15:55 (four years ago) link
Also, they did a great job with remasters, bonus tracks, and liner notes.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 19 July 2019 15:57 (four years ago) link
ya the vinyl versions pressed by 1972 are all garbage, these are necessary reissues
― flappy bird, Friday, 19 July 2019 16:22 (four years ago) link
Buy them on used CD.
MarsEmperorPengthe others
You can literally buy them all on used CD for the price of one of the reissues. Then you have it and the internet can get fucked and the less said about it, the better.👍
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 19 July 2019 16:27 (four years ago) link
I already own all the original CDs. The reissue of Transient sounds a lot better than the original CD. Is there a particular reason why it's bad to support this band?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 19 July 2019 16:30 (four years ago) link
i'm surprised at how unripped-off i feel about paying $30 for triple lp sets
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 19 July 2019 16:30 (four years ago) link
austin salty
― flappy bird, Friday, 19 July 2019 16:32 (four years ago) link
Seriously, it's a good deal as far as these things go. And I really don't get the case against this. If I didn't buy them is the "internet" going to have hurt feelings?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 19 July 2019 16:33 (four years ago) link
I haven't bought any of the reissues (my OG vinyl of all of these sounds fine, I'm not an audiophile) confused by Austin's bitterness at the band trying to scare up some income
― Οὖτις, Friday, 19 July 2019 16:33 (four years ago) link
It's not like they're a bunch of millionaires getting a massive payday. I imagine this is maybe keeping food on the table.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 19 July 2019 16:35 (four years ago) link
https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/maxo-kream-brandon-banks/
feel like if you're going to award an album Best New Music you should maybe mention what the music sounds like at some point.
― JoeStork, Friday, 19 July 2019 16:58 (four years ago) link
Reissues: not about the music. Got it.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 19 July 2019 17:00 (four years ago) link
xp See that's what I'm talkin about!
― stan by me (morrisp), Friday, 19 July 2019 17:01 (four years ago) link
And yes, because I view the world in terms of efficacy, I must want people from one of my favorite bands to not be successful.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 19 July 2019 17:01 (four years ago) link
ok...
― flappy bird, Friday, 19 July 2019 17:02 (four years ago) link
talk sense man
― Οὖτις, Friday, 19 July 2019 17:03 (four years ago) link
So what exactly is it that bothers you so much about people enjoying these reissues?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 19 July 2019 17:03 (four years ago) link
lol I had no idea what this sounds like and was curious about the reference to an "interpolation of Ice Cube's 'Steady Mobbin'" so checked out the song and the beat is allright but lol when they say "interpolation" they apparently mean "rephrases a single line from"... which is, um, not what interpolation means.
xp
― Οὖτις, Friday, 19 July 2019 17:05 (four years ago) link
tbf the song was allright, I liked the beat and was pleased it wasn't yet another shitty trap beat + floaty synths
You like the idea of the reissues. I see them as completely unnecessary.
If someone has never heard the band before and this reissue campaign turns them on, well that's fantastic. But nobody has ever needed to buy an overpriced reissue to get into this band.
I had the same issues with the Fleet Foxes reissue thingy last year.
And, back on track, is anyone surprised that pfork is still trying to sell music to people based on everything except the actual music?
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 19 July 2019 17:07 (four years ago) link
to your latter point: not really
― Οὖτις, Friday, 19 July 2019 17:09 (four years ago) link
I suppose in the list of necessities, reissues by my favorite band rank well below food and shelter, but as far as reissues go, they've done an excellent job. I'm more than happy to hand over my money to them.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 19 July 2019 17:14 (four years ago) link