You were mistaken
― calstars, Sunday, 14 July 2019 22:46 (four years ago) link
I thought he was one of the best interview subjects in Echo in Canyon; looking forward to his own documentary, which opens here in a couple of weeks.
― clemenza, Saturday, 20 July 2019 22:26 (four years ago) link
...the Canyon, the Canyon.
― clemenza, Saturday, 20 July 2019 22:27 (four years ago) link
that echo in the canyon movie was pretty bad
― global tetrahedron, Sunday, 21 July 2019 05:33 (four years ago) link
speaking of Crosby interviews
I cannot recommend the last five minutes of this interview with David Crosby from the THR podcast more highly. https://t.co/jo1RNUKCBJ pic.twitter.com/4Ry4Dnx5ji— Charles Bramesco (@intothecrevasse) July 20, 2019
― Simon H., Sunday, 21 July 2019 10:33 (four years ago) link
that was nuts.
it was, to be fair, not a very good interview
― budo jeru, Monday, 22 July 2019 03:30 (four years ago) link
like i would never listen to anything that guy has done based on what i heard. but the fact that his monotonous, 9th grade book report style inspired such heights of egomaniacal fury in crosby is p amazing
― budo jeru, Monday, 22 July 2019 03:32 (four years ago) link
whenever i think of crosby i think of the part from shakey, the neil young biography, where he's being interviewed by a magazine over the phone while he's being...attended to....by a groupie
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 July 2019 04:53 (four years ago) link
Checked out the podcast — the interviewer gets fair warning at 28:00, but has no clue or interest in how to pivot (or really conduct an interview, I guess); and he eventually gets what’s coming to him.
― the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Monday, 22 July 2019 05:45 (four years ago) link
“Well, this is the format of the podcast... I’ve got lots of other questions like this...” — c’mon, man, for real?
― the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Monday, 22 July 2019 05:51 (four years ago) link
yeah there was also an exchange along the lines of:
crosby: c’mon man, what’s with these questions ? everybody already knows this shit it’s been written about ad nauseam
interviewer: well, there are a lot of listeners in their 20s and 30s who probably haven’t heard of you
lol not really the best defense of your lame questions
― budo jeru, Monday, 22 July 2019 06:08 (four years ago) link
also when he interrupts crosby and says something to the effect of:
sorry, for the sake of our musically illiterate listeners, can you explain what harmony is ?
?????
― budo jeru, Monday, 22 July 2019 06:11 (four years ago) link
I like when the guy asks, “If you had come along a few years before you did, before the Beatles and the singer-songwriter era, what would you have ended up doing? Just singing? Just writing songs? Nothing at all?”And Crosby’s like: “Uh, I would have gotten into the same thing, I’d just be a few years older.”
― the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Monday, 22 July 2019 06:27 (four years ago) link
oh man this is a super uncomfortable listen
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 22 July 2019 10:28 (four years ago) link
I'm surprised Crosby kept it together for so long tbh.
― Arthur Lowe & Love (Tom D.), Monday, 22 July 2019 12:28 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOnZXeHRl40&feature=youtu.be
― Fried Egg Sandwich, Monday, 22 July 2019 14:33 (four years ago) link
haha this host is fucking - quote - annoying as shit - close quote
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 July 2019 14:34 (four years ago) link
huh so far they are really getting along
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 July 2019 14:45 (four years ago) link
Croz berating his booking agent at the end of that podcast was 👍
― Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 22 July 2019 19:59 (four years ago) link
okay that was amazing....the guy just kept going and goingbasically just like "i read your wikipedia page" interview
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 July 2019 20:04 (four years ago) link
I’d say stick with music but you’re not so good at that either. https://t.co/6ZLfjj1bpj— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) August 3, 2019
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 4 August 2019 14:40 (four years ago) link
Fuck u Doug henwood
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 5 August 2019 01:33 (four years ago) link
croz's Russian shit is really dumb
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 5 August 2019 01:53 (four years ago) link
Who cares
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 5 August 2019 02:03 (four years ago) link
Does Croz write for the NYT or something? I want my washed up stars to harbor conspiracy theories.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 5 August 2019 02:06 (four years ago) link
Enjoyed the documentary. Partly a meditation on death--Crosby gives himself a year or two--mostly one long apology to everyone he's ever known. I'll throw up the usual red flag for anyone who thinks hippies ruined the world: stay clear. If that's not you, recommended.
He travels back to Laurel Canyon--the store, the house where CSN was conceived--but never mentions Manson (understandably). Which got me wondering what he thinks of the Tarantino film, if that's something he'd even see (probably not). And then--my mind does wander--I thought, "Who's a greater artist, David Crosby or Quentin Tarantino?" Well, Tarantino has never made any art the equal of "Eight Miles High," "She Don't Care About Time," or "Ohio." You can throw in some other Byrds songs, too--I'll stop there. But then Crosby just participated in two of those; he does get a writing credit on "Eight Miles High."
Amazing reaction shot from the Obamas the last time CSN sang together, at a White House ceremony in 2015. No one in the band, nor Young, nor McGuinn, is presently talking to Crosby.
― clemenza, Monday, 5 August 2019 02:33 (four years ago) link
yeah I'd guess Quentin had about as much to do with Ohio and She Don't Care About Time as Croz did, Neil's CSNY stuff is pretty much just Neil stuff....Clark wrote She Don't Care and given it's early Byrds it's likely Croz doesn't even play on it....I didn't know he had a co-write on 8 Miles....I generally regard him as a distant third banana in the Byrds
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 5 August 2019 03:52 (four years ago) link
It struck me during OUATIH that when Dalton gets made up for Lancer, he ends up looking like a cross between Manson and Crosby.
― frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 5 August 2019 04:24 (four years ago) link
Sounds like he was more involved in "Ohio" than Nash or Crosby; Neil supposedly wrote it on the spot with Crosby present, and then Crosby got Ahmet Ertegun to get it out immediately. I don't know why it had never occurred to me that the look for Hopper's Easy Rider character was 100% Crosby, it's pretty obvious.
http://www.cinearchivo.net/Site/Fotos/Films/Image/IMAGE26/DENNISHOPPER.bmp
― clemenza, Monday, 5 August 2019 04:51 (four years ago) link
(Even more obvious in the film, when both have hats on.)
― clemenza, Monday, 5 August 2019 04:52 (four years ago) link
"Nash or Stills" that should read.
yeah I'd guess Quentin had about as much to do with Ohio and She Don't Care About Time as Croz did
I don't know exactly what Quentin Tarantino's contributions were but Crosby is all over the track - his rhythm guitar playing is front and centre and that 'how many more' vocal part at the end is pretty memorable!
― How to Book Michael Fish (Tom D.), Monday, 5 August 2019 06:45 (four years ago) link
His “here if you listen” album has been in regular rotation for me
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 5 August 2019 06:54 (four years ago) link
Ums otm re:Croz. He’s like the Stan Lee of the Byrds; the least consequential w the biggest mouth. (In this analogy Clarke = Kirby and uh McGuinn = Ditko? Idk)
― Οὖτις, Monday, 5 August 2019 14:39 (four years ago) link
Band dynamics are hard to parse, but I suspect Crosby had a lot more to do with the darker, more psychedelic Byrds (5D, Younger Than Yesterday) than can be measured just by songwriting credits (which, for what it's worth, spike significantly on those two albums--virtually nothing on the first two, 10/21 writing credits on the next two). Crosby begins the documentary talking rapturously about Coltrane, and that's certainly all over "Eight Miles High." If you think the Byrds were at their best on the first two albums and then later on Notorious Byrd Brothers and Sweetheart, then Crosby's importance diminishes (further complicated by Clark's comings and goings).
― clemenza, Monday, 5 August 2019 14:57 (four years ago) link
Biggest mouth, hands down--the documentary has some great Monterey footage I'd never seen of him going on about Kennedy conspiracy stuff (a big part of why he got the boot).
― clemenza, Monday, 5 August 2019 15:00 (four years ago) link
"If you think"--I'm using "you" in the general Kael-like sense there, not in reference to Οὖτις.
― clemenza, Monday, 5 August 2019 15:06 (four years ago) link
Crosby had a bunch of stuff on Notorious B.B. too.
― frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 5 August 2019 15:12 (four years ago) link
i'm not saying he wasn't important!
tbough this:
I suspect Crosby had a lot more to do with the darker, more psychedelic Byrds (5D, Younger Than Yesterday) than can be measured just by songwriting credits
is you know hard to say....but i mean it's mcguinn's 12 string guitar that made that song takeoff....according to the wiki, clark said he wrote the lyrics w/croz kicking in one line
also Croz kicked in Mind Garden and Renaissance Fair which both suck ass imo
Though Everybody's Been Burned is so amazing
like he's good! but I think it's really unfair to say that McGuinn wasn't really the guiding force behind those albums, they sound psychedelic because of him, Croz is fine but Clark and McGuinn are just on another level
I know that Croz liked Coltrane and stuff but McGuinn did too and Shankar etc, but Croz frankly isn't a good enough instrumentalist to really express those influences, that's McGuinn
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 5 August 2019 15:17 (four years ago) link
(xp) Yes, plus he never looked more handsome than he does on the cover.
― How to Book Michael Fish (Tom D.), Monday, 5 August 2019 15:18 (four years ago) link
also if we're talking about emerging songwriters within the Byrds you have to consider Chris Hillman as much as Croz
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 5 August 2019 15:18 (four years ago) link
agree that it's generally pretty difficult to parse band dynamics. But it isn't difficult to make a judgment on what the likely merits various members brought to an ensemble based on what they did *outs8de* of that ensemble, ie on their own. Clark and Neil (and McGuinn, albeit to a lesser extent imo) went on to produce fantastic work. Crosby not so much (full disclosure I hate CSN and IICORMN)
― Οὖτις, Monday, 5 August 2019 15:32 (four years ago) link
to extend the Marvel bullpen analogy, this is the same as asking what Stan Lee created of note once Kirby and Ditko abandoned him (answer: nothing)
― Οὖτις, Monday, 5 August 2019 15:33 (four years ago) link
Crosby not so much (full disclosure I hate CSN and IICORMN)
― Οὖτις, Monday, August 5, 2019 10:32 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
haha okay but other than that how was the play mrs. lincoln?
if i could only remember my name is stone cold classic
and as deej said upthread, his recent albums are surprisingly good
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 5 August 2019 15:35 (four years ago) link
Which might be the difference: I (admittedly a minority) like Crosby's songs on the first two CSN/CSNY albums.
Funniest blowhard moment in the documentary (although he does seem to be saying it half tongue-in-cheek): Crosby lobbying to be put in the Rock 'n' Roll HOF a third time, because CSNY should be inducted on their own (CSN have already been inducted).
― clemenza, Monday, 5 August 2019 15:38 (four years ago) link
lol
that reads kind of like a sad attempt to generate an excuse for his old bandmembers to maybe consider talking to him again
― Οὖτις, Monday, 5 August 2019 15:53 (four years ago) link
Crosby lobbying to be put in the Rock 'n' Roll HOF a third time, because CSNY should be inducted on their own (CSN have already been inducted).
― clemenza, Monday, August 5, 2019 10:38 AM (nineteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
lol ok gotta respect the hustle
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 5 August 2019 15:59 (four years ago) link
"Renaissance Faire" is great, wtf.
Byrds harmonies dipped a bit, post-Croz.
― frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 00:31 (four years ago) link
don't like it whaadya gonna dobut yeah I mean he was key to two of the great harmony singing groups ever not accident
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 12:56 (four years ago) link
I can understand not liking CSN because of Stills but Crosby's singing with them is beautiful.
the following video, which we talked about a lot some time ago with Crosby's murderous approach, remains my go-to Crosby document (after this thread's titular album)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_fZUgeLL0o
― L'assie (Euler), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 13:15 (four years ago) link