Anticipating Spider-Man: Homecoming (and then presumably Spider-Man: Prom)

Saw this today & loved it.
Tom Holland is such a good Spidey/Peter & they handle all the teen stuff so well. And there’s nothing I love more than hero’s journey stories;i mean i know they kind of all are versions of that but this one has him outright rejecting the call, not even on the fence or doubting but basically saying NO... I love the way Holland showed the emotion in that, and Fury being like Marvel Great Santini at him was such good drama.

And Zendaya! Those two have SUCH great chemistry.

I got teary when Peter & Happy were talking about Tony. I still miss him too!! idc if he was a warmonger or w/e

Jake was fkn great, I was thinking later he would have been a good Spidey in his younger days. though maybe his acting chops now are better than they were then so that is prob moot. His heel turn was great, and I enjoyed the meta special-effects angle of the story.

Super dork moment: When Mysterio/Quentin & Peter were at the bar all i kept thinking was how great would it have been if Peter was drinking an Aqua Velva!? :D

it makes spider-man seem like a total dumbass who hasn't learned anything from anything and has to go through the same arc each movie. kind of a harry potter thing. or an iron man thing for that matter.

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This was Mr Veg’s complaint too but I feel like it discounts Peter’s age & that he’s an anxious self-doubter at heart. Ok so he overcomes x but that doesn’t mean his baggage gets left at the door. When he faces y he’s still going to panic & freak out because he’s still ~emotionally~ the same guy. For him, with a doubter’s mind & low self-esteem all x just taught him is that he could do x! We see him as a superhero but he’s not able to see himself that way so he still makes decisions as a teenager, not as a superhero. He’s not got the confidence or perspective to assume he can now do y or even z for that matter. Maybe that’s annoying for ppl to watch but that’s kinda how life is when you have that mindset. Just bc you have superpowers doesn’t mean that goes away.

So I saw this yesterday, and it was fine but I think pretty firmly bottom-tier MCU for me. Way below Homecoming imo. I'm glad lots of folks itt enjoyed it as much as they did, though. It was fun, and the cast is still great, but it just seemed to be missing something. Kinda feel like someone reading the script should've at some point said, 'Oh hey guys, you know the thing where a chunk of the last movie revolved around mishaps during a class trip? Maybe we don't need to go back to that well in the very next movie.' Seeing the WTF look on my unwitting gf's face during the Mysterio reveal was fun. The mid- and post-credits scenes were great, but problematic inasmuch as they're probably the scenes that grabbed my interest the most. The scenes during the actual movie should be the ones to do that, maybe.

Disappointed that Ned and Betty's breakup in no way involved a goblin mask or pumpkin bombs, boooooo.

I wanted a few more bantz with Mysterio's team

One of my favorite things about these Marvel movies, maybe even (especially even?) the not so good ones, is how their tiers and unevenness or whatever sort of reflect how the comics themselves work. There might be an epic arc for a couple of months, followed (or interrupted) by some silly one off storylines. Not every issue is a major crossover event, some are just, I dunno, Peter Parker trying to pick up the dry-cleaning.

I do agree that the biggest (or any of the biggest) moments in these movies really should not occur after the movie is over.

I went and re-watched Homecoming after seeing this and they're both good, but Homecoming definitely superior. I had forgotten how menacing Keaton was. Still, the cast went a long way for me, and I found them more fun- maybe more relaxed as an ensemble- to watch this time around.

I mean the cast in Far from Home vs Homecoming

The car ride Peter takes with Keaton in Homecoming is probably the best moment of suspense filmmaking in this entire enterprise.

totally! I love keaton's speech - the way it's delivered and staged.

Ahahahahahahahaa

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/adambvary/spider-man-leaving-mcu-tom-holland-marvel-studios

Good luck with yr fucken Morbius movie you absolute nutsacks.

I’m sure they’ll pony up the dough

spider-man has died

Of dysentery

SONY letting Disney figure Spider-Man out for them and then walking away with Disney's ideas and not paying them for it – well, every writer, director, and animator in LA can see why that's funny, is all I'm saying.

— Ben Schwartz !¡!¡ (@benschwartz_) August 21, 2019

Do u really think Sony has wrapped its head around the formula, tho, because...I'm not convinced.

Venom >>>> basically all the MCU stuff I've seen tbh

i mean, no, but i respect where you're coming from on that one. it's a terrible movie but an extraordinary viewing experience.

the latter negates the former imho

absolutely! file under "i loved this, i want to see it again, and i wouldn't recommend it to anyone"

Venom was 40 minutes of entertainment and the rest was...a thing

Venom was a barely passable airplane movie. At least I could make out what Hardy was saying most of the time in it.

Oi u in pieces bruh

Simon, what percentage of the impetus for seeing Venom in the first place was the puckish, premeditated thrill of disseminating the notion that a widely-panned film was better than the entire MCU slate? 40%? 60?

Venom was decent

[Venom was a barely passable airplane movie. At least I could make out what Hardy was saying most of the time in it.]

^^^ Of the three leads, Riz Ahmed was the only watchable actor. Hardy's mumbled New York accent and constant "OMYGOD WHAT'S HAPPENING!?" made me yearn for Nic Cage's nuanced Johnny Blaze. Michelle Williams was low-key and seemed tranquilized. The FX were decent enough.

Problem was Upgrade was the same movie but 300 times better

sony pretty much made my favourite superhero movie ever with multiverse and one of my top 5 videogames ever with the ps4 spidey

Upgrade, featuring Other Tom Hardy, was great.

Oh I way preferred venom to upgrade

God I hate Disney bootlickers on Twitter

Simon, what percentage of the impetus for seeing Venom in the first place was the puckish, premeditated thrill of disseminating the notion that a widely-panned film was better than the entire MCU slate? 40%? 60?

uh, no percent. I heard it was batshit and endearingly dumb and it was. also, Riz-as-Musk getting owned was pretty cathartic

MCU has backed itself into a corner with the entire “important people solving important problems” shtick and has jettisoned a lot of what makes comic books fun.

The Venom movie had some slapstick moments and dumb humor bits that didn’t quite land but having a character that didn’t spend the whole movie deathly afraid of losing control, because he never had it, was a nice departure. The motorcycle chase was actual fun.

MCU has backed itself into a corner with the entire “important people solving important problems” shtick and has jettisoned a lot of what makes comic books fun.

I categorically disagree with this.

Among the things I find fun in comic books:

- banter
- heroes facing near-insurmountable odds
- villains who operate off of deception rather than strength
- reality-bending events
- normal people stepping up to impossible tasks

MCU has all of this in spades, IMO

God I hate Disney bootlickers on Twitter

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wait til they find out why Spiderman isn't public domain despite being nearly 60 yrs old

I appreciate all of those things as well, but I need a healthy dose of joy and wonder

Unfortunately, my writing skills leave a lot to be desired so my Ghost Rider script where a number of background characters are heard to exclaim, “holy shit, that guy’s head is on fire!” is yet to be produced

For joy and wonder, hoping the MCU folds in the FF soon and has a Kirby-esque exploration of the Negative Zone, Blastaar, Annihilus, etc. Would be a nice precursor for the next 22 films culminating in an Annihilation Wave.

rob with the key point there: most everything kirby and ub iwerks and co touched should absolutely be in the public hands by now. that it's not is one of the main reasons why we're in this weird nostalgia culture ouroboros in the first place.

^^^

also

Stan Lee's daughter sides with Sony over #SpiderMan dispute, says no one could have treated her father "worse than Marvel and Disney's executives:"https://t.co/YlQbWOv8HA pic.twitter.com/GlBdyazD7I

— Comicbook.com (@ComicBook) August 22, 2019

real high-quality witness there

Eh, stories about her own relationship with her father haven't exactly been glowing.

ha, xpost

is she the one that was accused of elder abuse?

They only had one daughter. (There were many accusations of elder abuse against a variety of parties, though.)

(One living daughter, I should clarify - another died three days after birth, so was not accused of committing elder abuse at the age of 69.)

nice

This was terrible -- depressingly terrible, i.e. hundreds of millions spent on third-rate video game effects.

And Jake wasn't nude.

Why don't you use some of those graphics to make a Jake nood video

Deepfake!

The awkward high school comedy was the best, and a couple of Jake's scenes with Hollnad (i.e. the bar scene in Italy) had real charm, but, oy, that last third.

I do not like Shouty Jake -- the Jake of Nightcrawler, although I can see the connection between the two characters: on-the-spectrum tech bro who can't handle being thwarted.

The high school comedy was much better in the first film, though. I do like that there is a real focus on high school comedy in this series, but no, this was not a good film.