Which artists legacies have improved/worsened during the 2010s?

Jack White is probably less relevant but has a weirdly psycho core following that eats up everything he does, like Ween type thing

The Soft Bulletin is probably the album that has most sharply plummeted in my appreciation between when it came out and now.

With the Grateful Dead thing (which is full on still in ascendant mode), while it started around the time that Animal Collective was huge and unashamed to cite (and sample) the GD, it has crossed over big time to seemingly be kinda be cool across the board. While this isn't surprising to me, the upsurge of "jam" adjacency for certain bands is a bit, but we'll see how long that lasts. To be clear, I am not talking about the musicians choosing to improvise / jam out on parts of songs, but the use of the term "jam" not being a complete anathema to these bands, as it was for a long time.

Coyne is racist? I haven't kept up.

not super-duper deep-down racist, but he fired the Lips longtime drummer over the latter's objections to the Republican governor's daughter dancing onstage with them, and instagramming offstage with Wayne, in indigenous American headdresses and war regalia with mocking captions

At 9:54 p.m., he texted me again pressing the headdress photo issue. In my desire to have this done and over with, I apologized and said I wouldn't do it again. He responded, "… Ha ha… You so full of shit … You're a fucking coward !! Go stick up for your Indian friends if its so important to you !!" It devolved from there, with him later texting, "I think….. I am gonna make it so your 'beliefs' no longer have any association with the Flaming Lips .." More name calling followed with him finally sending me a text at 3:49 a.m. on March 20 that said I was fired. Along the way, he called me a "nazi punk coward Internet bully"

His divorce was messy too

https://oklahoman.com/article/3938040/flaming-lips-singer-wayne-coyne-wants-adultery-accusations-kept-out-of-divorce

Then there was his fight with Erykah Badu...

https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/483668/erykah-badu-violated-by-nsfw-bathtub-video-ignites-feud-with-wayne-coyne

Flaming lips is a good one, cause Wayne’s weird behavior and starfucking has coincided with the group making less and less interesting records.

Peak Coyne outrage was maybe 5 years ago. What's he been up to? He got remarried, right?

I just saw an army guy in his 30s blasting Sinatra out of his Range Rover

ok flex on them

I listen to music in my car and it's too hot to not open the windows, passing cyclists and pedestrians seem a bit surprised by ethnographic recordings from the 1920s, slightly less so by Ellington and Armstrong

and instagramming offstage with Wayne, in indigenous American headdresses and war regalia

Weird how literally everybody, including ilx0rs, give Billy Corgan a pass for the exact same type of shit

guh? ilx hands corgans ass to him regularly

not at all my thing, but my understanding is that pumpkins fans have long ago come to terms with corgan being an insufferable tit 24/7

Zero ppl called him out on this
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogilala#/media/File%3AOgilala.jpg

Zero ppl called him out on this

http://www.feelnumb.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/zero-shirt-Bullet-With-Butterfly-Wings-Video-Smashing-Pumpkins.jpg

one of the oldest crowds I've ever seen was when i went to a "beastie boys story" gig this year where mike d and ad rock told stories. almost nobody under 35.

― (⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Saturday, July 13, 2019 12:34 PM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

who sez millenials are misguided

I know Coyne is a dick but honestly the MUSIC just sounds bad to me now, corny inspirational indie with "weird" cod Beach Boys stuff..... don't know what I saw in it

the flaming lips are just an all-out gimmick band now, aren't they? i mean they always had that aspect to them, but that one time they actively announced "Hey, everybody, we're doing a proper album!" nobody fucking cared.

whenever someone says "coyne" i think "kevin" and want to say that he doesn't _actually_ think hitler was a great man, that was just him singing in character as ian brady

Sorry i meant this
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogilala#/media/File%3AOgilala.jpg

Xp

Jack White is probably less relevant but has a weirdly psycho core following that eats up everything he does, like Ween type thing

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, July 13, 2019 4:09 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Jack White was on Lemonade!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10pOVWHrWck

shakey are you trying to post the cover of Ogilala?

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81OovYaUMtL._SX522_.jpg

stock up: '80s rnb, mixtape rap, new age, sophisti-pop
stock down: turn of the decade indie, freak-folk, arcade fire, college rock

Wouldn't know if this is correct, but sounds good to me. Erase indie rock from Beat Happening through whatever bands said "HEY! HO!" and clapped/stomped etc., and the world is a better place.

Quick search suggests no one has weighed in on post-punk as a genre. Again I don't really have my finger on the critical/popular/young people pulse... But based on the fact post-punk is heavily used to describe a lot of current music from 2010-2019 (for good and for ill, but overall more for good than circa 2005), I'd wager it's retained its place of pride as rock music that stands the test of time? Still sounds great to me, I think I just kind of OD'd a bit on it during my 20s in the 2000s.

I really hope freak folk/new weird america has a revival, it was so great I thought

I enjoyed a lot of the flaming lips stuff up to a point but I have the same reaction now as UMS, I’m not sure what the hell I was thinking. I hear Yoshimi and Soft Bulletin now and they sound like garbage. I still enjoy a couple tracks from HTDITFH but that’s all strictly based on memory, haven’t listened to it in years. It’s all independent from Wayne Coyne.

Their best stuff is pre-Soft Bulletin. Never understood why ppl freaked over that record.

fuck The Soft Bulletin, 1999 was the year of Musick to Play in the Dark, The West, Eureka, Goodby 20th Century

•Goodbye

No idea what any of those albums are lol

part of the lips thing as Omar said is those records *sound* terrible, so harsh and shitty

Dave Fridmann should be jailed

[redacted long diatribe against The Flaming Lips]

Jack White on the other hand I've 100% come around on and think he's super-great and I understand why people were losing their shit about him at a time when I didn't really know or care

Mercury Rev's popularity always surprised me and I don't think I've ever been able to enjoy any of their albums. In 2003 I had to agree with the other server that she wouldn't ever put on Deserter's Songs and I wouldn't ever put on Solex.

I liked Deserter's Songs, but not much else by them. Flaming Lips, I liked several of their albums, up through Yoshimi. Haven't heard the last few, but The Terror and Embryonic were pretty good, iirc. I haven't listened to them in years, tbf, but I want to say they were darker and weirder and less Muppet Music and more Krautrocky?

'Embryonic' and 'The Terror' were excellent, and I'd long since written them off as bunny-suited dayglo cartoons. Those albums had an edge, clarity and vision. I haven't followed closely since but it seems like they've reverted to Yoshimi silliness?

The Wayne stuff mentioned upthread turned me off of them along with their stupid take on Dark Side of the Moon.

Oh damn I must admit I loved Embryonic and also that really long one-track thing they did, I always forget I saw the flame on that lip that one time

Embryonic is definitely very good, will rep for The Terror too

'Embryonic' and 'The Terror' were excellent, and I'd long since written them off as bunny-suited dayglo cartoons. Those albums had an edge, clarity and vision. I haven't followed closely since but it seems like they've reverted to Yoshimi silliness?

― Soundslike

I'd mostly agree with this although I've barely gone back to The Terror since it came out. Their 2017 album, Oczy Mlody definitely calls back to the silliness of their commercial peak, but was so lightweight and forgettable. I think they used up their best songs on the Miley Cyrus album from a couple of years before that.

The Flaming Lips are one of the best examples on this whole thread. They won a lot of people back round with Embryonic but that now seems like one last hurrah just before the new decade began and people really moved on. The Heady Fwends and Beatles tributes were just more gimmicky nonsense and they just released an album for RSD that I've seen barely any discussion about anywhere. I still love just about everything from Hit To Death to Embryonic (even most of At War With The Mystics). 2009 would have been the perfect place to stop.

Mercury Rev were great for the first five albums. Since then they've had a massive drop off in quality. I felt embarrassed for them when they came back with The Light In You after such a long gap.

As long as we’re surveying this particular corner of the music world: I think (Embryonic featured players) MGMT’s lengthy fallow period popularly, & for a slightly shorter duration critically, might’ve actually helped them ride out the great Indie Hype Band’s From 2009 culling, since there was always that residual goodwill and desire to see them live up to the promise of their early singles. So when their record last year had a bunch of strong pop songs that rewarded both the true believers who stuck it out as well as more casual people just peeking their heads back in on the continuing MGMT story, it seemed like there was a genuine resurgence of positive attention, increased sales+streams, video essays about their career arc etc. that, if they’re inclined to, they could parlay into a more enduring spot in the public eye (if not necessarily the bonanza with rap features etc. of their breakout). At the very least they probably deserve one of the numerous slots on alt radio playlists currently occupied by a band who lifted their entire bag of tricks from “Kids” or “Electric Feel”.

“Congratulations” is severely underrated and this band will be cited as geniuses despite the “Electric Kids” whatever thing that was whatever

I think it’s great that the Flaming Lips can vacillate between big serious art-rock projects like Embryonic/The Terror and just goofy RSD shit. They basically just like making stuff, sometimes it lands and sometimes it doesn’t. More power to em

To that point I think their legacy plateaued in 2006, once they stopped being part of THE CONVERSATION, and has been basically steady for the last 13 or so years, through good projects and bad

Well I think they made a bunch of crap records that were unjustifiably rated highly and were a bunch of dicks while at it but that’s just me, there are few bands I will extravagantly leave the coffee shop when they come on but Flaming Lips are that only band

the lips dudes voice is just so so bad

That band’s success predicted Trump’s populist victory but what do I know

It’s wild to think this band was playing punk shows in 83

http://stevenblush.com/prod/DC/images/NTFlamingLips.jpg

I won a contest guessing the two most played albums of 1984 on KUSF and the first Flaming Lips EP on colored vinyl was one of the prizes. I really loved them back then

xp think I'm right in saying that they covered DSOTM in full at this very show, so whatever ppl think of their various stunt projects they're not a recent development per se