well, published this week, I guess
― space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 12 July 2019 17:42 (four years ago) link
I have an 8 year old nephew whose favorite band is Pavement. However I don’t think this is representative.
― o. nate, Friday, 12 July 2019 17:43 (four years ago) link
there's plenty of indie rock nostalgia, but bands that play indie rock right now in 2019 don't have the same level of breathless praise or press attention that they did 10 years ago
― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Friday, 12 July 2019 17:44 (four years ago) link
i should say, predominantly male indie rock bands
― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Friday, 12 July 2019 17:45 (four years ago) link
I was 19 when SY split. circa like 2006 they were patron saints of not only indie rock but also noise/experimental music, huge gateway band with a lot of credibility that was still active AND giving a leg up to new bands like Black Dice, Magik Markers, Lightning Bolt, having Jim O'Rourke in the band for 5 years, they were revered & relevant to me and my friends, a model of how to have a band last 25+ years.
Totally not the case any more, and TONS of teenagers still listen to Pavement. every indie rock band that got big this decade cited Pavement as a major influence. Pavement's stock has gone up because they get new fans every generation, like a Nirvana and unlike The Who. I think the same would've been true of SY if their split was conventional, but because of the circumstances, the work is complicated.
― flappy bird, Friday, 12 July 2019 17:48 (four years ago) link
TONS of teenagers still listen to Pavement
very gratifying to know, if true!
― stan by me (morrisp), Friday, 12 July 2019 17:50 (four years ago) link
I would say that bands that unabashedly ape some retro style have gone up in status. That sort of thing would’ve been played for laughs in the ‘90s but lots of bands do it now in complete sincerity and are taken seriously. Sounding new and different in indie is less of a goal, unless sounding new is redefined to mean crate-digging some underexposed style to imitate.
― o. nate, Friday, 12 July 2019 17:50 (four years ago) link
Indie rock still has a huge, huge, slobbering presence in all online media except now all the bands have one girl in them
― space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 12 July 2019 17:51 (four years ago) link
And all have names like POWER NAP and BUSINESS CASUAL
― space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 12 July 2019 17:52 (four years ago) link
lol
― johnny crunch, Friday, 12 July 2019 17:52 (four years ago) link
Morning Meeting is opening for Work Retreat at the Echoplex this weekend.
― omar little, Friday, 12 July 2019 17:54 (four years ago) link
yeah i'm not saying it's gone away completely, but we no longer live in a GAPDY world
― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Friday, 12 July 2019 17:55 (four years ago) link
The most-played Pavement song on Spotify is not what I would expect.
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 12 July 2019 18:01 (four years ago) link
Moved that to the other thread
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 12 July 2019 18:09 (four years ago) link
So Sonic Youth lost fans because of a messy divorce? I mean probably someone from every single one of your favourite bands went through a messy divorce, I don't get this idea of holding up artists to some borderline-spiritual standard of behaviour. If it's Ryan Adams or someone I can see it, otherwise...who cares?
― Zeuhl Idol (Matt #2), Friday, 12 July 2019 18:13 (four years ago) link
declined: the vague not-really-a-genre-but-it-all-went-together of indie rock that your 2000s college dorm-mates who were into indie rock listened to: of montreal, the decemberists, regina spektor, feist, etc.
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 12 July 2019 18:19 (four years ago) link
― o. nate, Friday, July 12, 2019 1:50 PM (twenty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Being very sincerely passionate about something that was at one time considered "novelty" is a popular power move among hip people to get out in front.
― Evan, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:20 (four years ago) link
Good!
― Sam Weller, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:20 (four years ago) link
(Xpost)
― Sam Weller, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:21 (four years ago) link
katherine otm
Wilco's stock has gone down as they inch closer and closer to Weezer style self-aware self-parody
― flappy bird, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:23 (four years ago) link
Has it really gotten that bad for them?
― Evan, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:25 (four years ago) link
they're flirting with disaster
― flappy bird, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:26 (four years ago) link
Last I heard some of their recent albums were solid but unremarkable. Not exactly Raditude
― Evan, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:27 (four years ago) link
the album titles, the festivals, the IPA's, they're in the same direction but Weezer went sicko mode last year
― flappy bird, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:29 (four years ago) link
Their last two albums are the first I've liked. Whatever they're doing, it's working.
(Everyone has a beer now: https://pitchfork.com/news/parquet-courts-and-goose-island-announce-limited-edition-beer-for-pitchfork-music-festival-2019/)
― stan by me (morrisp), Friday, 12 July 2019 18:33 (four years ago) link
I'm ecstatic.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 July 2019 18:37 (four years ago) link
She was never made fun of the way you describe but Beyoncé has definitely improved.
I was just thinking of her in this context. She's obviously been a star for a long time now, 20 years, but it's in the past few years (afaict) that she's been practically deified. I saw Donald Glover interviewed by Jimmy Kimmel, and 90% of the interview was "zomg, Beyonce, what was that like!?!" Didn't hear stuff like that when she was in "Austin Powers."
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:37 (four years ago) link
So Sonic Youth lost fans because of a messy divorce?
I'm still unsure what evidence there is for this tbh.
every indie rock band that got big this decade cited Pavement as a major influence.
And is this really the case? What indie bands got big this decade? Tame Impala, Big Thief, Father John Misty, Alvvays? Parquet Courts?
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 12 July 2019 18:38 (four years ago) link
Black Keys?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:40 (four years ago) link
Feel like Bon Iver and Sufjan worked hard this decade to get *small.* Though I guess that didn't work so well.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:41 (four years ago) link
Yeah, it's just not obvious to me that there's a major Pavement influence over all those.
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 12 July 2019 18:42 (four years ago) link
SY is not gaining as many young fans as they would've if Thurston + Kim were still a fairy tale couple. this is crucial to the question of the thread, whether a band's legacy has worsened this decade - SY's legacy has indisputably worsened since their split
― flappy bird, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:44 (four years ago) link
Well Parquet Courts for sure but yeah the others not so much
― Οὖτις, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:44 (four years ago) link
Xp
So on what data are we basing conclusions here besides anecdotal?
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 July 2019 18:45 (four years ago) link
If a band's not touring, and not putting out new records, I'm not sure what's left.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:47 (four years ago) link
well we could look at sales by year, but that's tough to find
― sleeve, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:48 (four years ago) link
sonic youth has 1.15 million monthly listeners on spotifypavement has 1.05 million monthly listeners on spotify
― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Friday, 12 July 2019 18:48 (four years ago) link
I’m not sure how many young indie fans really get excited about a fairytale couple in their 50s.
― Siegbran, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:49 (four years ago) link
this isn't the New Jersey thread, the status of an artist's legacy and cultural cache is more than data
xp you'd be surprised! I was one and so were many of my friends... they were, erm, idols. Crucial to remember how revered they were as curators and as a gateway band... now everyone (rightly) views Thurston as a joke instead of a sage
― flappy bird, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:52 (four years ago) link
Your awareness is not proof of anything regarding a culture wide shift, teenagers are not going to give a single shit about Kim and Thurston’s split but rather they’re just not going to give a shit about any noise rock indie band that hasn’t put out new music in many years regardless of the inside baseball about how it ended!
― omar little, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:58 (four years ago) link
Thurston’s a dork but even if he was cool dad Thurston still no one would care
― omar little, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:59 (four years ago) link
― Siegbran, Friday, July 12, 2019 2:49 PM (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
The SY fanbase should've instantly shifted over to Yo La Tengo if this was the case.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 12 July 2019 19:04 (four years ago) link
A lot of these examples are situations where the artist in question was young in the 2000s and just got old in the 2010s and their youth was a large part of their initial appeal, imo-- Devendra Banhart was once-exciting because he was 19-22 when he had that initial blush of fame. Fleet Foxes, Conor Oberst, a lot of that stuff was popular because the participants were young, and they're just not any more, so it's not as interesting or popular.
What is more interesting to me is seeing certain acts who are creeping toward 40 or are well past it and found greater success in the 2010s. Tegan And Sara were the first to spring to mind, and I realized that a lot of queer women (or queer catnip women, i.e. Tori) feel more popular now than they did in the 2000s, which is cool and nice. Conversely, I think gay men (Rufus, Patrick Wolf, The Magnetic Fields) have had a bear market.
Some dichtomies that I feel but can't prove: Peter Gabriel down, Phil Collins up. Joni Mitchell down, Buffy Sainte-Marie up. Robert Palmer down, Lionel Richie up.
In general too I feel like contemporary classical music, especially electroacoustic music, has had an immense uptick in popularity. Kranky-style ambient, too. I attribute the rise in popularity of those musics to be a response to music's disposability and inescapability and availability-- Stockhausen feels like a treat after hearing CRJ in every corner of every public place, Stars Of The Lid also, and now you can enjoy this "more obscure" music more easily so people tend to do so.
― flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 12 July 2019 19:04 (four years ago) link
Joni Mitchell down, Buffy Sainte-Marie up.
Agree re: Buffy, but Joni's appeal/profile never seemed to lag throughout the '00s-'10s.
Robert Palmer down, Lionel Richie up.
While true, also a little unfair, as Palmer is no longer around.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 12 July 2019 19:08 (four years ago) link
Conversely, I think gay men (Rufus, Patrick Wolf, The Magnetic Fields) have had a bear market.
nice one
― JoeStork, Friday, 12 July 2019 19:10 (four years ago) link
I'm a little baffled by the thought process involved in which an artist's aesthetic contributions, both in terms of their own output and in championing the works in others, is somehow entirely negated by their cheating on their spouse. infidelity and divorce are very common.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 12 July 2019 19:11 (four years ago) link
xp to Tarfumes, ya, at first I was gonna say "Human League". And it's not really true of Palmer, either, I think he's becoming kind of hipster, DJs play his deep cuts more often now and "Johnny And Mary" is in high rotation in my purview. (But not like "All Night Long" which I think I've heard every day for the last three years.)
― flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 12 July 2019 19:13 (four years ago) link
lol what
― Οὖτις, Friday, 12 July 2019 19:15 (four years ago) link
next you'll be telling me Charlie Pride is a hipster darling
― Οὖτις, Friday, 12 July 2019 19:16 (four years ago) link