nation
― brimstead, Friday, 12 July 2019 17:11 (four years ago) link
My challop: Daydream Nation is good.
― pomenitul, Friday, 12 July 2019 17:12 (four years ago) link
It’s great
― brimstead, Friday, 12 July 2019 17:14 (four years ago) link
Sonic Youth remains one of the best american rock bands of the past 50 years
― tylerw, Friday, 12 July 2019 17:15 (four years ago) link
there are some great SY albums but their cultural cache has collapsed
― flappy bird, Friday, 12 July 2019 17:26 (four years ago) link
so has the cultural cache of indie rock in general, though
― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Friday, 12 July 2019 17:29 (four years ago) link
yes, but SY was a special case - and I'd argue Pavement took their place in the canon, their stock has gone up this decade, if that's even possible
― flappy bird, Friday, 12 July 2019 17:33 (four years ago) link
and I don't think indie rock's cultural cache has collapsed by any means, but it's certainly lessened
― flappy bird, Friday, 12 July 2019 17:34 (four years ago) link
Yeah, from what I have read, the news of Pavement getting back together has been met with “lol, imagine caring about this in 2019” for example
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 12 July 2019 17:34 (four years ago) link
I like pavement but no one cares about pavement more than they did ten years ago. SY’s career and relevancy trajectory after the breakup has been vv normal for any mid-tier band tbh.
― omar little, Friday, 12 July 2019 17:36 (four years ago) link
^OTM on both counts
― stan by me (morrisp), Friday, 12 July 2019 17:38 (four years ago) link
so has the cultural cache of indie rock in general, though― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Friday, July 12, 2019 1:29 PM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Friday, July 12, 2019 1:29 PM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
How many fuckin David Berman articles were written this week alone?
― space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 12 July 2019 17:42 (four years ago) link
well, published this week, I guess
I have an 8 year old nephew whose favorite band is Pavement. However I don’t think this is representative.
― o. nate, Friday, 12 July 2019 17:43 (four years ago) link
there's plenty of indie rock nostalgia, but bands that play indie rock right now in 2019 don't have the same level of breathless praise or press attention that they did 10 years ago
― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Friday, 12 July 2019 17:44 (four years ago) link
i should say, predominantly male indie rock bands
― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Friday, 12 July 2019 17:45 (four years ago) link
I was 19 when SY split. circa like 2006 they were patron saints of not only indie rock but also noise/experimental music, huge gateway band with a lot of credibility that was still active AND giving a leg up to new bands like Black Dice, Magik Markers, Lightning Bolt, having Jim O'Rourke in the band for 5 years, they were revered & relevant to me and my friends, a model of how to have a band last 25+ years.
Totally not the case any more, and TONS of teenagers still listen to Pavement. every indie rock band that got big this decade cited Pavement as a major influence. Pavement's stock has gone up because they get new fans every generation, like a Nirvana and unlike The Who. I think the same would've been true of SY if their split was conventional, but because of the circumstances, the work is complicated.
― flappy bird, Friday, 12 July 2019 17:48 (four years ago) link
TONS of teenagers still listen to Pavement
very gratifying to know, if true!
― stan by me (morrisp), Friday, 12 July 2019 17:50 (four years ago) link
I would say that bands that unabashedly ape some retro style have gone up in status. That sort of thing would’ve been played for laughs in the ‘90s but lots of bands do it now in complete sincerity and are taken seriously. Sounding new and different in indie is less of a goal, unless sounding new is redefined to mean crate-digging some underexposed style to imitate.
― o. nate, Friday, 12 July 2019 17:50 (four years ago) link
Indie rock still has a huge, huge, slobbering presence in all online media except now all the bands have one girl in them
― space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 12 July 2019 17:51 (four years ago) link
And all have names like POWER NAP and BUSINESS CASUAL
― space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 12 July 2019 17:52 (four years ago) link
lol
― johnny crunch, Friday, 12 July 2019 17:52 (four years ago) link
Morning Meeting is opening for Work Retreat at the Echoplex this weekend.
― omar little, Friday, 12 July 2019 17:54 (four years ago) link
yeah i'm not saying it's gone away completely, but we no longer live in a GAPDY world
― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Friday, 12 July 2019 17:55 (four years ago) link
The most-played Pavement song on Spotify is not what I would expect.
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 12 July 2019 18:01 (four years ago) link
Moved that to the other thread
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 12 July 2019 18:09 (four years ago) link
So Sonic Youth lost fans because of a messy divorce? I mean probably someone from every single one of your favourite bands went through a messy divorce, I don't get this idea of holding up artists to some borderline-spiritual standard of behaviour. If it's Ryan Adams or someone I can see it, otherwise...who cares?
― Zeuhl Idol (Matt #2), Friday, 12 July 2019 18:13 (four years ago) link
declined: the vague not-really-a-genre-but-it-all-went-together of indie rock that your 2000s college dorm-mates who were into indie rock listened to: of montreal, the decemberists, regina spektor, feist, etc.
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 12 July 2019 18:19 (four years ago) link
― o. nate, Friday, July 12, 2019 1:50 PM (twenty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Being very sincerely passionate about something that was at one time considered "novelty" is a popular power move among hip people to get out in front.
― Evan, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:20 (four years ago) link
Good!
― Sam Weller, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:20 (four years ago) link
(Xpost)
― Sam Weller, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:21 (four years ago) link
katherine otm
Wilco's stock has gone down as they inch closer and closer to Weezer style self-aware self-parody
― flappy bird, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:23 (four years ago) link
Has it really gotten that bad for them?
― Evan, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:25 (four years ago) link
they're flirting with disaster
― flappy bird, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:26 (four years ago) link
Last I heard some of their recent albums were solid but unremarkable. Not exactly Raditude
― Evan, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:27 (four years ago) link
the album titles, the festivals, the IPA's, they're in the same direction but Weezer went sicko mode last year
― flappy bird, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:29 (four years ago) link
Their last two albums are the first I've liked. Whatever they're doing, it's working.
(Everyone has a beer now: https://pitchfork.com/news/parquet-courts-and-goose-island-announce-limited-edition-beer-for-pitchfork-music-festival-2019/)
― stan by me (morrisp), Friday, 12 July 2019 18:33 (four years ago) link
I'm ecstatic.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 July 2019 18:37 (four years ago) link
She was never made fun of the way you describe but Beyoncé has definitely improved.
I was just thinking of her in this context. She's obviously been a star for a long time now, 20 years, but it's in the past few years (afaict) that she's been practically deified. I saw Donald Glover interviewed by Jimmy Kimmel, and 90% of the interview was "zomg, Beyonce, what was that like!?!" Didn't hear stuff like that when she was in "Austin Powers."
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:37 (four years ago) link
So Sonic Youth lost fans because of a messy divorce?
I'm still unsure what evidence there is for this tbh.
every indie rock band that got big this decade cited Pavement as a major influence.
And is this really the case? What indie bands got big this decade? Tame Impala, Big Thief, Father John Misty, Alvvays? Parquet Courts?
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 12 July 2019 18:38 (four years ago) link
Black Keys?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:40 (four years ago) link
Feel like Bon Iver and Sufjan worked hard this decade to get *small.* Though I guess that didn't work so well.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:41 (four years ago) link
Yeah, it's just not obvious to me that there's a major Pavement influence over all those.
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 12 July 2019 18:42 (four years ago) link
SY is not gaining as many young fans as they would've if Thurston + Kim were still a fairy tale couple. this is crucial to the question of the thread, whether a band's legacy has worsened this decade - SY's legacy has indisputably worsened since their split
― flappy bird, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:44 (four years ago) link
Well Parquet Courts for sure but yeah the others not so much
― Οὖτις, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:44 (four years ago) link
Xp
So on what data are we basing conclusions here besides anecdotal?
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 July 2019 18:45 (four years ago) link
If a band's not touring, and not putting out new records, I'm not sure what's left.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:47 (four years ago) link
well we could look at sales by year, but that's tough to find
― sleeve, Friday, 12 July 2019 18:48 (four years ago) link
sonic youth has 1.15 million monthly listeners on spotifypavement has 1.05 million monthly listeners on spotify
― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Friday, 12 July 2019 18:48 (four years ago) link