Which artists legacies have improved/worsened during the 2010s?

(Maybe N. meant “rock critics”?)

Thurston Moore always came across to me as a 16 year old who scrawls anarchy signs in his school notebook trapped in the body of an aging man.

I guess they've split up now so it's academic - (from Wiki)

In August 2014 Isis changed their name on Facebook to "Isis the band" in order to avoid any confusion with the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.[40] The band reunited for a one-off show in October 2018 under the name 'Celestial' at a benefit for the family of Caleb Scofield, the Cave In frontman who died in a road accident seven months earlier.

with SY it's not only the band breaking up, it's Kim + Thurston's acrimonious divorce. in the 00s they were patron saints for indie and noise music, Thurston had Ecstatic Peace, all of the new weird america bands or whatever (cf. that poll whiney made) owed a debt to SY, Daydream Nation was the A1 indie rock record. Kim + Thurston's marriage was an art weirdo fairy tale - when that collapsed, so did their credibility.

man I love daydream narion

nation

My challop: Daydream Nation is good.

It’s great

Sonic Youth remains one of the best american rock bands of the past 50 years

there are some great SY albums but their cultural cache has collapsed

so has the cultural cache of indie rock in general, though

yes, but SY was a special case - and I'd argue Pavement took their place in the canon, their stock has gone up this decade, if that's even possible

and I don't think indie rock's cultural cache has collapsed by any means, but it's certainly lessened

Yeah, from what I have read, the news of Pavement getting back together has been met with “lol, imagine caring about this in 2019” for example

I like pavement but no one cares about pavement more than they did ten years ago. SY’s career and relevancy trajectory after the breakup has been vv normal for any mid-tier band tbh.

^OTM on both counts

so has the cultural cache of indie rock in general, though

― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Friday, July 12, 2019 1:29 PM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

How many fuckin David Berman articles were written this week alone?

well, published this week, I guess

I have an 8 year old nephew whose favorite band is Pavement. However I don’t think this is representative.

there's plenty of indie rock nostalgia, but bands that play indie rock right now in 2019 don't have the same level of breathless praise or press attention that they did 10 years ago

i should say, predominantly male indie rock bands

I was 19 when SY split. circa like 2006 they were patron saints of not only indie rock but also noise/experimental music, huge gateway band with a lot of credibility that was still active AND giving a leg up to new bands like Black Dice, Magik Markers, Lightning Bolt, having Jim O'Rourke in the band for 5 years, they were revered & relevant to me and my friends, a model of how to have a band last 25+ years.

Totally not the case any more, and TONS of teenagers still listen to Pavement. every indie rock band that got big this decade cited Pavement as a major influence. Pavement's stock has gone up because they get new fans every generation, like a Nirvana and unlike The Who. I think the same would've been true of SY if their split was conventional, but because of the circumstances, the work is complicated.

TONS of teenagers still listen to Pavement

very gratifying to know, if true!

I would say that bands that unabashedly ape some retro style have gone up in status. That sort of thing would’ve been played for laughs in the ‘90s but lots of bands do it now in complete sincerity and are taken seriously. Sounding new and different in indie is less of a goal, unless sounding new is redefined to mean crate-digging some underexposed style to imitate.

Indie rock still has a huge, huge, slobbering presence in all online media except now all the bands have one girl in them

And all have names like POWER NAP and BUSINESS CASUAL

lol

Morning Meeting is opening for Work Retreat at the Echoplex this weekend.

yeah i'm not saying it's gone away completely, but we no longer live in a GAPDY world

The most-played Pavement song on Spotify is not what I would expect.

Moved that to the other thread

So Sonic Youth lost fans because of a messy divorce? I mean probably someone from every single one of your favourite bands went through a messy divorce, I don't get this idea of holding up artists to some borderline-spiritual standard of behaviour. If it's Ryan Adams or someone I can see it, otherwise...who cares?

declined: the vague not-really-a-genre-but-it-all-went-together of indie rock that your 2000s college dorm-mates who were into indie rock listened to: of montreal, the decemberists, regina spektor, feist, etc.

I would say that bands that unabashedly ape some retro style have gone up in status. That sort of thing would’ve been played for laughs in the ‘90s but lots of bands do it now in complete sincerity and are taken seriously. Sounding new and different in indie is less of a goal, unless sounding new is redefined to mean crate-digging some underexposed style to imitate.

― o. nate, Friday, July 12, 2019 1:50 PM (twenty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Being very sincerely passionate about something that was at one time considered "novelty" is a popular power move among hip people to get out in front.

Good!

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katherine otm

Wilco's stock has gone down as they inch closer and closer to Weezer style self-aware self-parody

Has it really gotten that bad for them?

they're flirting with disaster

Last I heard some of their recent albums were solid but unremarkable. Not exactly Raditude

the album titles, the festivals, the IPA's, they're in the same direction but Weezer went sicko mode last year

Their last two albums are the first I've liked. Whatever they're doing, it's working.

(Everyone has a beer now: https://pitchfork.com/news/parquet-courts-and-goose-island-announce-limited-edition-beer-for-pitchfork-music-festival-2019/)

I'm ecstatic.

She was never made fun of the way you describe but Beyoncé has definitely improved.

I was just thinking of her in this context. She's obviously been a star for a long time now, 20 years, but it's in the past few years (afaict) that she's been practically deified. I saw Donald Glover interviewed by Jimmy Kimmel, and 90% of the interview was "zomg, Beyonce, what was that like!?!" Didn't hear stuff like that when she was in "Austin Powers."

So Sonic Youth lost fans because of a messy divorce?

I'm still unsure what evidence there is for this tbh.

every indie rock band that got big this decade cited Pavement as a major influence.

And is this really the case? What indie bands got big this decade? Tame Impala, Big Thief, Father John Misty, Alvvays? Parquet Courts?

Black Keys?

Feel like Bon Iver and Sufjan worked hard this decade to get *small.* Though I guess that didn't work so well.

Yeah, it's just not obvious to me that there's a major Pavement influence over all those.

SY is not gaining as many young fans as they would've if Thurston + Kim were still a fairy tale couple. this is crucial to the question of the thread, whether a band's legacy has worsened this decade - SY's legacy has indisputably worsened since their split

Well Parquet Courts for sure but yeah the others not so much