Which artists legacies have improved/worsened during the 2010s?

Sun Ra's profile seems higher than ever, tons of great new remasters/reissues coming out all the time

Nah, the Sun Ra wave (and subsequent total distortion of jazz discourse among rock critics who heard Ra and almost nothing else, and thus had no way of placing his work into historical context) crested in the late '90s and early '00s.

which song would Marty blast into his dad's ears to torture him and which future villain would he dress up as?

― omar little, Thursday, July 11, 2019 5:26 PM (twenty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

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I would disagree strongly. The arkestra is touring more than ever, he's being referenced in non-music specific artmaking contexts constantly, and there is a deluge of new product in record stores - mostly live material but still steadily coming out.

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xp 6ix9ine works for both aspects of the question

I figure 50s kitsch was also big in the 80s/90s because you could still find stuff from that era in thrift stores

I wonder what "vintage" 2010s stuff will exist for the future revival (assuming they aren't living in a Mad Max hellscape by then). It's hard to imagine American Apparel clothes or IKEA furniture lasting 50 years the way Sixties or Seventies vintage did... Cutesy enamel pins?

He'd stick the "AirPods" in his dad's ears, one of them would fall right out -- "Sorry, wait a sec" -- nothing would happen while the Bluetooth is pairing -- "Just a sec, I'm trying to pull up Spotify... nuts..."

sadly pfunk isnt as strong as it was in the 90s.

I think all funk music has trended way downward as 70's/80's R&B's stock has risen

Such a great thread.

Up: Grateful Dead

Down: Sonic Youth

Everyone is Xanned and CBD'd out of their gourds and would rather listen to Teddy Pendergrass than Kool & the Gang. You hate to see it.

He'd stick the "AirPods" in his dad's ears, one of them would fall right out -- "Sorry, wait a sec" -- nothing would happen while the Bluetooth is pairing -- "Just a sec, I'm trying to pull up Spotify... nuts..."

"Sorry, BMG has restricted this content in your country era."

when called to "get down with the boogie," the youth of the 2010s said "no thank you."

Trap hip-hop has a higher stock now obv? I mean the trap sound is currently all over the place in mainstream pop, from Ariana Grande to Billie Eilish.

kinda hard to figure out a critical legacy for something so current as trap music.

trap hasn't really gone away since "Don't Like"

Elvis has had two massive Xmas released albums in recent years, i.e. the ones where they strap his vocals onto new orchestral arrangements.
so, yeah, he is still a big thing commerically.

I think all funk music has trended way downward as 70's/80's R&B's stock has risen

the trap sound is currently all over the place in mainstream pop

these things are related - the primacy of funk rhythms has receded as trap rhythms have come to the fore, so the currency of acts like P-Funk has declined (along with my interest in rap and R&B)

I actually think there's something to be explored there about how generations get keyed into certain rhythms early on and then as that generation's impact on music declines those rhythms start to vanish as well, to the point where you get people on either end of the spectrum (young or old) totally baffled about things like "how do you dance to that" because their bodies just don't respond to the rhythms

also just think it's interesting to chart the ascent and decline of rhythmic templates over the course of pop music - from swing to the blues shuffle to rock's straight 4/4 to funk to disco to house etc

That's interesting—reminds me whenever I read that anecdote about Dylan saying, "Wow, you can dance to that!" in response to the Byrds' "Mr Tambourine Man", I think, "How?.

Yeah it's interesting how 80 - 100 bpm beats just do not exist in rap now (not counting things like dancehall, bounce, etc), unless it's half-time. Or self-consciously throwback. They had a good 20+ year run though.

there's obviously a lot of variety in the cracks and at the margins but it is interesting to me how broader musical culture often coalesces around specific rhythms/bpms and just kind of all agree that "whelp, this is what people are dancing to now". afaict pop music these days basically rotates through either trap beats and 4/4 house-type beats - rock and jazz rhythms are completely gone.

"The critical legacy for the artist "trap music" is higher in the 2010s than the 1980s" is the insight Geir fans have been clamouring to have return to the boards

It's hard to imagine American Apparel clothes or IKEA furniture lasting 50 years

IKEA furniture is holding up at 40 years already, it'll probably go another ten without crumbling to dust

I feel like I don't see as much interest these days in outsider/weird artists like Daniel Johnston. Maybe shifts in culture about mental illness.

there is no outside, everybody is online

I.e. there is only the outside.

I feel like I don't see as much interest these days in outsider/weird artists like Daniel Johnston.

I had a dream last night where Tonetta showed up at a nightclub, and was playing ripping guitar solos over the DJ

haha that is awesome

Tonetta's Bandcamp page is :0 btw

these things are related - the primacy of funk rhythms has receded as trap rhythms have come to the fore, so the currency of acts like P-Funk has declined (along with my interest in rap and R&B)

You still have acts such as The Weeknd and DJ Khalid who have a more traditional R&B/funk vibe, although perhaps more 80s R&B/funk than 70s R&B/funk.

Cappadonna’s more respected now than he was ten years ago. Ghostface probably less so but he’s still a legend so w/e. But the revelation that doom was listening to a lot of capadonna when he recorded doomsday is v eye opening

deej, what's Ghost's standing in the hip-hop community at the moment?

Best solo career out of the wu & a legend but not esp relevant the last 15 years would be my assumption ... at any rate cappa’s debut is mega underrated

Agree about the debut (commissioned a review for my college paper when I was arts editor lol)

Ghost's my favorite album artist of the 2000s, but I wasn't sure how well he's known. A Lyft driver last week was bemused when after talking my ear off about Gucci he asked me about my favorite rappers of the last twenty years.

So according to facebook djent's stock has risen

Best solo career out of the wu & a legend but not esp relevant the last 15 years would be my assumption ... at any rate cappa’s debut is mega underrated

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, July 11, 2019 5:23 PM (twenty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

You absolute fucking dork

"Two of his most critically adored albums are not especially relevant because white hipsters liked them"

Regardless of their P4k ratings, the Fishscale/More Fish/Big Doe Rehab era had like a huge radio single with Ne-Yo, an early Mark Ronson/Amy Winehouse collab, and was one of the highest profile outlets for the Dilla reappreciation

lol @ having this fight *again*

I like the song w ne yo but the albums are pretty mediocre after pretty Tony imo & it’s obvious they’re his most “critically adored” bc ppl were jumping on the bandwagon late. Lol @ you acting like “critically adored” and “white hipsters liked them” not being the same phenomenon

Also blatantly untrue ... supreme clientele is obv his most praised album ...

That's why I said "one of"

or "Two of"

I mean, the bandwagon theory would make sense if Bulletproof Wallets and Iron Flag didn't happen and also if the Fish/Fish/Doe run sounded anything like Ironman/Clientele

worsened: beach boys

As far as underrated ghost albums the two hidden darts tapes are better than fishscale era stuff too me

The fish era sounds like pandering to online rap nerds that’s why the cohesion of pretty Tony singing along to oldies radio steez was replaced soul records, dilla records and Pete rock beats it’s way more scattershot & broke him w the mass of Av club rap nerds but it’s def not the first thing I’m gonna pull out to listen to

The ne yo song does sound like it should have been the single for “pretty tony” which is why I like it but the whip me w. A strap stuff I just never want to listen to

i've always felt deej underrated fishscale contrarianistically to some degree, but it's also extremely funny how mad it makes whiney

at this point I expect them to be having this fight over cold bowls of mush at the old folks' home 20 years from now

if deej had just said the last 12 years he'd be in the clear