things you once thought socially acceptable which now horrify you to remember

Ace Ventura: Pet Detective being a pretty notable example

I guess the problem I have with this question is determining the threshold of "socially acceptable". Does that mean 'nearly universally accepted as the norm' or just 'practiced by a substantial number of people without serious social repercussions beyond being thought rather boorish or ignorant'?

Because if we're using the first definition, social mores were already shifting substantially by about 1980 so that racism, xenophobia, sexism, ageism, and mockery of the disabled were not 'nearly universally' considered the norm, whereas if we're using the second definition "socially acceptable" would still include most of that behavior.

8. dropping a lit cigarette onto a carpet and grinding it out with my heel. i did this at a party once, fully aware of what i was doing. it was crowded. i still think about that. what the fuck?

9. just not doing my own dishes for months. oh they got done. my housemate did them. again. what the fuck. yes i was young but i was supposedly a grown-ass man.

Internalized misogyny :(

xp those are some good ones tracer, lol

10. making chummy comments to strangers you like on internet message boards

11. making nasty comments to strangers you don't like on internet message boards

12. The smoking lounges at the teen dance clubs <—- plural! that I went to as a preteen and teen

My high school had a smoking area. The school actually put up a set of bleachers so kids could sit in relative comfort and smoke between classes.

i was cursed by god to do stupid moron things all the time so i'm feeling this thread

I mean, I grew up in Alabama and spent time in the military. I’m proud of how much shit I could write in this thread (but won’t).

13. Not picking up after the dog.

Calling people fags, homos, etc

This. Similarly, calling people retards/retarded.

Internalized misogyny :(

and this, of course. feel like it took me way too long to get past the whole "I'm not like other girls" bullshit.

If by "society" one means one's high school classmates, then we'll see a lot more regrettable and immature behavior tagged as 'used to be socially acceptable' than if we broaden that scope a bit.

the truest society there is

If by "society" one means one's high school classmates, then we'll see a lot more regrettable and immature behavior tagged as 'used to be socially acceptable' than if we broaden that scope a bit.

― A is for (Aimless)

i didn't talk to my high school classmates, most of the formerly "acceptable" things that now horrify me happened on usenet

the decline of public smoking has been impressive

the Confederate battle flag

it was flown all over the place in 1960s-80s Alabama and Georgia, often in official or quasi-official settings, and I don't think it dawned on me why that was wrong until I was 25 or so

I had a dukes of hazzard big wheel which had the confed flag all over it! Nobody thought anything of it, even being in Illinois.

Nobody thought anything of it

Oh, I'm sure there were a few. Let's ask around.

Well sure now I do wonder what the parents of my black best friend and black "girlfriend" thought of it. I should ask my mom what she thought of it too.

Confederate flags appeared on album covers without much incident (Give Out But Don’t Give Up, Will the Circle Be Unbroken?)

Give Out But Don't Give Up sold 7 copies outside of the UK tbf

I know what you mean but don't think either of those albums are good examples of the phenomenon - one being a William Eggleston photo on an album by a British band that's fairly obscure in the US, and the other being a cover which features both the stars n stripes *and* the stars and bars, on either side of a Civil War Union general (I've never been able to figure out exactly who that is - it's not Grant, Sherman, Custer, Burnside, or McClellan)

xp

Lynyrd Skynyrd, Alabama, etc. might be better examples

the decline of public smoking has been impressive

yeah I remember being kinda upset at the bar smoking ban at the time...I don't smoke, but it just felt kinda wrong...nowadays I'd be pretty pissed if someone lit up near me

what if someone vaped near you

oh that I don't care about

its not so much the smoke itself that bothers me from the cigarette but rather the fact that you have to change clothes and take a shower after

i love smoking cigarettes but i am very glad you can't smoke inside bars and it seems insane that was a thing so recently (where I'm from). i do however like being in jurisdictions where smoking inside is banned, but you can still have a smoke on a bar's patio/terrasse

some of the "flavored" vape exhaust is nauseously pungent
think everyone p much agrees that smoking a cig looks kinda cool. but seeing people constantly sucking on a lil plastic box or w/e...p dorky looking.

that smoking on airplanes ever was allowed is a major wtf

I have personally smoked a cigarette on an airplane. NB: I have not smoked cigarettes for 35 years.

I watched a few episodes of Cheers recently the fact that you could build an 11 season sitcom on Sexual Harrasment is pretty WTF.

nah that's not what's happening in that show most of the time

honestly the most offensive thing in it is the "cigar store indian" in the background of nearly every scene

the Confederate battle flag

I watched an episode of The Adventures of Pete and Pete where the younger Pete forms a band, and their ten year old drummer was wearing a Confederate flag bandanna. Definitely seemed odd now how unremarkable it was.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/9f16d3237b7c3737d68a6042083b4ac6/tumblr_mq0dj5m4Bu1r1e98bo1_1280.png

its not so much the smoke sex itself that bothers me from the cigarette but rather the fact that you have to change clothes and take a shower after

― frogbs, Friday, 12 July 2019 22:16 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

fixed for catholic

I've heard that said about Cheers by someone else and idrgi, although I don't really know the later seasons. What makes the Sam/Diane relationship closer to harassment than the relationships on Parks and Recreation or the The Office (US)?

If by "society" one means one's high school classmates, then we'll see a lot more regrettable and immature behavior tagged as 'used to be socially acceptable' than if we broaden that scope a bit.

The OP does ask what we "thought to be socially acceptable" as opposed to what "used to be objectively socially acceptable". A teenager could definitely think of social acceptability in terms of what is accepted by their peers.

(Still bold enough to give an actual answer, although a lot of mine have been posted.)

WRT Cheers

Sam and Diane less so but Sam and Rebecca is hard to watch, Sam seems to be building a textbook hostile work environment plus Rebecca cops a lot from her rotating bosses.

Oh, I didn't watch those seasons as much.

Yeah those seasons are lame

the dynamic changes a lot from season to season in the Rebecca era, but Sam is her subordinate for the first few years (and Carla & the patrons probably do more to make the environment hostile to her). Sam’s maturing character also changes to mainly be performing “the stud” in public, and a caring & supportive friend to Rebecca behind closed doors. In latter years it’s a recurring trope that he’s fundamentally forgotten to be a slut, being reminded of the existence of his little black book & so forth.

nb tbc there definitely is loads of sexual harassment perpetuated in Cheers! the Melville / Carla affair is totes probbo too. but it’s often balanced out, or clearly indicated to be inappropriate

iirc there's a pretty uncomfortable scene late in season 1 in the back room, where diane ~jokingly~ defends herself with a billiard ball

it was very good for 1982-83, but nevertheless

Watching hours and hours of sitcoms with the family, or comedy panel shows, repeats of Simpsons etc

i never really enjoyed the rebecca era of cheers, even tho kirstie alley is a terrifically funny actress, and i think it's partly bcz the nature of her comedy delusion was more demeaning than diane's comedy delusion was

diane is very evidently smarter intellectually than anyone else in the bar pre-frasier and it's not deluded for her to think she's "better" than this job (tho not in fact "better" than the bar's ethos?): but the ways she thinks she's better are often quite vain and silly ("it's not a rejection letter! it's a soon-and-inevitably-to-be-published letter!") -- comedy abt the many different ways we're smart and dumb is comedy i enjoy.

the rebecca era was much more a glass-ceiling comedy which involved her humiliating herself with powerful ppl who were also loathsome? which i think shifted a lot of the balance that the earlier material generally had. it was never "obvious" that she was actually a super-capable good-at-business boss who by rights ought to be rising high much quicker than she was, plus it also quietly played to a lot of stuff abt "actually women just sleep their way to the top", and then had to ground this in the insistence that e.g. robin colcord was sexy when he wasn't

caveat: i haven't watched a full ep for years, my favourite bit was always when woody vaulted the bar

"weird woman in a bar (La Lechera) at 10:43 12 Jul 19
12. The smoking lounges at the teen dance clubs <—- plural! that I went to as a preteen and teen"

Woah this! I remember going to underage gigs and there were smoking areas. I also remember the police assigned to those events smoking, which police certainly do not do in uniform in Australia any more.

omg lol yes now that WF has been bought by Amazon they can adopt disruptive innovations from the DMV and the passport office

willing to bet "twitter" is gonna be all over this list in ten years or less

"Twitter"?

I have anxiety about the WF line too. All the ny stores are set up crazy. I hate going there.

I look forward to more of this "following guest" reconnaissance.

My wife has pointed out that she got Following Guested at a Duane Reade before that - we are in Boston now and going to another DR - will report back about whether this infection has been retained.

excellent reportage

We went to CVS instead and it was 11.00 on a Tuesday so it was just us and some ghosts, reportage ends.

there’s a duane reade in boston?????

t/s: following guest vs following ghost

following Geist

https://i.imgur.com/4mQqZct.png

No, no Duane Reade, I looked for pharmacy and assumed one of them would be.

Watched 1st half of Eddie Murphy's 'Delirious' recently and immediately thought of this thread. The combo of his homophobic "jokes" and the audience guffawing seriously made me nauseous.

I was just thinking of how all of us enlightened 40+ year-olds could probably still do the whole Honeymooners routine from memory.

US pop culture had already hammered the existence of The Honeymooners into me, but I saw three minutes of it on a family trip to America when I was 11, and that’s still all. Didn’t it run for a few decades, on and off? Is it the “bang zoom to the moon” domestic violence thing that’s a “routine” that never changed?

i don't really want to go on record as defending the honeymooners, but there is *never* any doubt that alice is utterly in charge

otm

it still runs here and there on local late night, and they never stopped doing the New Year's Eve marathons in NY

speaking of something that aged poorly, i just caught the ending of Ace Ventura: Pet Detective on cable and hollllly shit that comes super hateful now

it did at the time. Naked Gun 33.3 too.

The freshman hazing scenes in Dazed and Confused wouldn’t stand a chance today

Really? Even when it was a new movie, the whole point of those scenes and much of the rest of the film was that this was how people acted in the distant past, and it was clearly no longer acceptable.

I was talking about the Eddie Murphy "Norton? I've been lookin' at you... lookin'' at me..." routine.

the "homina homina homina" bit is still funny

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TuhSV-PCtyQ

*someone does or says something slightly unusual*

"are you on crack"

wait thats out now?

speaking of something that aged poorly, i just caught the ending of Ace Ventura: Pet Detective on cable and hollllly shit that comes super hateful now

yeah I recently rewatched it and it goes from "this is actually still really funny" to "wow that comes off poorly" really quickly. I would guess there's a whole host of 80's/90's films that in retrospect were super homo/transphobic

Revenge of the Nerds is also a pretty egregious example...no gay panic but there's a scene that's basically straight up rape which ultimately becomes the hero's triumph. its gross.

lol "basically" is unnecessary hedging

there's a much more recent film which has a similar scene played similarly but i can't for the life of me remember what it is

The Boat That Rocked?

Observe and Report?

*someone does or says something slightly unusual*

"are you on crack"

― flappy bird, Thursday, September 12, 2019 11:30 AM bookmarkflaglink

Someone posted a newspaper article (taken from a cellphone, obv.) on my NextDoor group about two people who had been arrested for smoking meth in a crawlspace. Her comment was "Freakin' crackheads!"

I mean, not to split hairs or anything, but "meth head" is part of the national vernacular now, but also, there's way too much racism bounded up in the word "crackhead" for it to ever be used, especially by Gladys Kriavitz of the Oak Meadow neighborhood group.

Observe and Report is the opposite

The Boat That Rocked?

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, September 12, 2019 10:06 AM (one hour ago)

yes, that's it! and i think i read about it on ilx a month ago haha

I would guess there's a whole host of 80's/90's films that in retrospect were super homo/transphobic
― frogbs, Thursday, 12 September 2019 16:54 (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

00's too. I watched the hangover for the first time recently and hoo boy...

https://images.app.goo.gl/yS7v7rpDfSmCgU1K6

speaking of something that aged poorly, i just caught the ending of Ace Ventura: Pet Detective on cable and hollllly shit that comes super hateful now

― Nhex

man why the fuck are they even showing that on cable, that movie is the fucking poster child for transphobia. did they have "all this and rabbit stew" as the short subject beforehand?

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i'm into "y'inz"