Which artists legacies have improved/worsened during the 2010s?

Aaron Lewis is the plumber joe of grunge.

"wish you were here" by incubus is great ... the line about the star looking like a backlit canopy with holes cut in it is sublime lols/profundity

incubus is an extremely good band imo

Papa Roach's 'Last Resort' is still vaguely alive as a meme.

creed is tough for me to get into still. Real Pearl Jam-ish and i never liked them either. Staind I kinda like the singles, compared w/ like Korn they are def not album artists though ... "Outside" and "Its Been Awhile" are strong IMO, I'd be curious if anyone has any Staind deep cut they think is on that level but I tried to dig in & couldn't make it too far

the star

i meant the sky

favorite lol/profound incubus lyric: "to obtain a bird's eye is to turn a blizzard to a breeze"

Sort of tangentially related ICP are ... Cypress Hill biters mainly??

xp lol

Rage Against the Machine always stood apart from nu-metal even though they probably inspired most of it, and there's definitely been some critical reappraisal, but maybe not as much as I'd expect? Seems like they'd be a great band for right now.

many xposts: I wonder if R.E.M. suffered from Simpsons syndrome: the longer they went past their peak, the more their stock diminished, and that period is still relatively recent. My girlfriend is a R.E.M. super fan (for demographical context, she's 28) so I went through their catalog earlier this year when we began dating, and was surprised at how little they seem to be talked about anymore compared to how big (and imho, fantastic) they were in their prime -- R.E.M. just barely cracked the top 40 of the more recent Pitchfork best of the 80s list, for instance. Maybe it'll swing around once they've been broken up another decade.

i think it says something very interesting about this cultural moment that the children and teenagers of 2019 have restructured the classic rock canon in such a way that ELO, queen, elton john, and fleetwood mac have come out on top.

coupled with the more agreeable aspects of poptimism that ime seemed to have bled over into the broader culture, namely that it's okay for grown men to enjoy britney spears and madonna

and then this:

"For a prototypical Beatle fan in 2019, just look to Emma Gonzalez, the Florida teen who became a gun-control (and LGBTQ) activist last year. She’s a Ringo stan who loves to wear her Fabs shirt in TV interviews and wrote on Twitter, “I feel like Beatles songs were made to be sung by powerful women.”"

which i think is (a) a testament to the enduring influence of the beatles and their seemingly endless ability to speak to the most divergent of individuals and circumstances, (b) evidence that today's youths are as thoughtful, perceptive, and subversive as ever, and (c) and indication that values have shifted significantly and i'd guess that most young people would want their music to either reflect that or at least be open to critical re-readings

I get the impression that, while postpunk has declined as mentioned upthread, goth & industrial has risen?

*have risen, ugh

Rammstein - the new album is good and all, and they still sell out massive stadiums, but their shtick is pretty much done.

I feel like I'm starting to see the buds of REM becoming positively reassessed again although very early

also the beatles are always going to be an enormous cultural force. they will always be talked about and widely loved by the young and old. just deal with it and move on with your life if you don't like them imo

many xps

I get the impression that, while postpunk has declined as mentioned upthread, goth & industrial has risen?

― Auld Drink of Misery (zchyrs), Wednesday, July 10, 2019 1:47 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

this kind of feels like it *should* be happening, but it seems like it doesn't go far past marilyn manson/NIN, so like the mall/commercial version rather than, idk, Ministry or KMFDM

Sinatra: stock up?

I think the Grateful Dead reassessment was in the last decade ya?

hard to tell bc it feels like something that's been happening forever & may not have even peaked

xxp Yeah, I feel like it's more the cachet of goth as a vibe that has become cool again? When I was in high school 15 years ago, we all thought goth was a bad joke (an allergic reaction to the 90s stuff, I reckon); but these days it seems like the cool kids are into black lipstick and the occult. I guess this ties into the larger 90s revival.

TS: early 80s Goth vs late 90s Goth

R.E.M. just barely cracked the top 40 of the more recent Pitchfork best of the 80s list, for instance.

and it (murmur) was #5 in the best of 80s list they published in 2002

I feel like trip hop, industrial, nu metal, emo, all have good claims on being due for a revival

i was going to suggest Billie Eilish has a bit of the goth to her which might cause a revival in some quarters but i think she's also influenced by a lot of the other music discussed here (not the Who)

triphop kind of already had it with chillwave

mudvayne is the band i always like to cite that started off as a proggier slipknot and turned into staind-esque post-grunge

Mudvayne's The End of All Things to Come was produced by David Bottrill (Tool, King Crimson) and was surprisingly prog and weird. I liked it a lot at the time.

the two p4k '80s lists are a somewhat direct way to look at changing tastes imo, though it also follows a philosophy change in p4k from being an indie music site to a site with a broader perspective. Below is the 2018 top 15 of the 80s.

15. Beastie Boys – Paul’s Boutique (#3 on 2002 list)
14. Pixies – Doolittle (#4)
13. The Smiths – The Queen Is Dead (#6)
12. Joy Division – Closer (#10)
11. Eric B. & Rakim – Paid in Full (#52)
10. Sade – Diamond Life (NR)
9. The Cure – Disintegration (#38)
8. Janet Jackson – Control (NR)
7. Sonic Youth – Daydream Nation (#1)
6. Public Enemy – It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back (#9)
5. Talking Heads – Remain In Light (#2)
4. Kate Bush – Hounds of Love (#92)
3. N.W.A. – Straight Outta Compton (#35)
2. Michael Jackson – Thriller (#27)
1. Prince and the Revolution – Purple Rain (#12)

Rage Against the Machine always stood apart from nu-metal even though they probably inspired most of it, and there's definitely been some critical reappraisal, but maybe not as much as I'd expect? Seems like they'd be a great band for right now.

― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, July 10, 2019 6:46 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah I definitely agree with this - I think of RATM as 'proto nu-metal' along with things like Machine Head, Sepultura circa Chaos AD/Roots, Fear Factory... FNM obviously, Biohazard maybe? This stuff was all very popular in my peer group when I first got into musuc - at the time I really liked Korn for the first two albums but I've tried revisiting them and it all just sounds bad.

and the albs that fell out of the 2002 top 15:

5. R.E.M. - Murmur (#39 in 2018)
7. Pixies - Surfer Rosa (#32)
8. Tom Waits - Rain Dogs (#42)
11. Tom Waits - Swordfishtrombones (NR)
13. The Fall - This Nation's Saving Grace (#79)
14. Sonic Youth - Sister (NR)
15. XTC - Skylarking (#133)

The Fall's stock seems to have, well, fallen; they certainly didn't seem to gain any broader cultural glow from MES's death.

(Not that they were every a huge deal, but you heard about them a lot in the '90s)

I think that might in part be attributable to MES' documented history of spousal abuse

Run-DMC has, to our detriment, fallen, as had much golden age mid 80s hip hop


I feel like the Fall is pretty much exactly the same

xp I haven't heard of that, or Daltry's pro-Brexit stance, or J-Lo being given gifts meant for other artists, etc. Some of y'all read too much, lol

triphop kind of already had it with chillwave

― Siegbran, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 18:59 (sixteen minutes ago) link

Nah I mean some form of trip hop just always exists like now it would be hip hop beats to study to, I mean more a revival of the specific aesthetic touchpoints of that era

how many people still consider the 80s as the hiphop golden age?

not as many, is def mid 90s to early 00s

i think of peak korn as 'follow the leader' -> 'issues' i listened to the early stuff a bit to get an idea of how they evolved but i think of their commercial & creative peaks as being fairly synonymous ... sorry im a nu metal poptimist

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, July 10, 2019 2:40 PM (thirty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Absolute dogshit opinion

Korn will tear us apart

Sepultura circa Chaos AD/Roots, Fear Factory... FNM obviously, Biohazard maybe

I loved all of these at the time and bet a lot of it holds up, but most nu-metal proper is still aesthetically repellent to me (I don't even really like it when it's sampled for arty club tracks)

The first few times I tried listening to Who's Next, all I could to think to myself was 'they don't deserve this drummer'.

― pomenitul, Wednesday, July 10, 2019 11:32 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol

The Fall are a cult band with no real broad cultural appeal and MES is very nearly irredeemable as a human being, it doesn't really surprise me that they didn't get the same boost.

I just don't want any talking in my music, unless it's an alt-right cover of 'Institutionalized'.

As a superfan I agree, that's still quite a drop on the Pfork list

xp

Absolute dogshit opinion

― space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, July 10, 2019 2:20 PM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Going to argue “I liked korn when they were underground” abt a band that thrived mallcore era is actually the dogshit opinion

Beastie Boys definitely an example of even death not able to stop the critical decline.

Speaking of deaths, Tupac seems to have lost a fair bit of magic over the past decade.

Beck too, come to think of it.