Which artists legacies have improved/worsened during the 2010s?

The best thing Who related to come out recently is the episode "Joe Pera Reads You the Church Announcements" of "Joe Pera Talks with You", which not enough people watched.

And the Who's back catalogue isn't sparse so much as it's a mess: there's nearly as much studio material as, say, the Stones put out from the '60s through the '70s, but chunks of it are on singles or outtakes collections (and some is still unreleased).

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love this thread. I'll add a category to the stock up/stock down framework.
It's complicated: current mainstream country.

it explains the dated sounding raps from this era

there was a "take it back to the old school" lil trend around when numetal was happening too no? I'm thinking of acts like Jurassic 5 but I know there were others.

I'm sure it'll never be the critical/retroactive consensus but I still maintain the best thing by far about nu-metal were the Limp Bizkit hits, not SOAD and Deftones. If you're going to be whiny, self-obsessed and juvenile, at least have the decency to keep it simple and bring the hooks.

― Siegbran, Wednesday, July 10, 2019 10:38 AM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

fair description of why the limp bizkit singles are good but soad and deftones aren't remotely whiny, self-obsessed, or juvenile. which is i guess why they've never felt exactly like they belonged to the genre!

slipknot's "wait and bleed" another peak of whiny self-obsessed juvenile nu-metal with hooks, just to harder ends (which is why they've always had cred to some degree)

Black Eyed Peas were part of that, "Old School" movement, before they really blew up.

good call. Guess it was an LA thing mainly? People Under the Stairs too. Ugly Duckling.

I think of Korn as being the archetypal nu metal band and their songs are A+ ... freak on a leash is incredible

Deftones are super whiny and self-obsessed, they're just whiny and self-obsessed in a "dude in the back row of homeroom moping in a different Cure shirt every day" kind of way.

SOAD had a proggy respectability & deftones I never listened to that much but I remember ppl taking them seriously ... but only liking respected nu metal feels like missing the point of nu metal imho

i completely agree with that

though i think you'd really love a lot of deftones stuff deej (i'm basing this entirely on abe cunningham's drumming)

only liking respected nu metal feels like missing the point of nu metal imho

Agree, which is why I still listen to Static-X regularly. (Plus, Static-X were more of a Ministry ripoff than a nu-metal band, except for their third album, when the label tried really hard to shove them into a Korn-shaped box. It sucked.)

good call. Guess it was an LA thing mainly? People Under the Stairs too. Ugly Duckling.

There's a lot of Canadian stuff from around then that I might put in that category. Like, I used to think the Black Eyed Peas were a Canadian group when they first started.

The best thing Who related to come out recently is the episode "Joe Pera Reads You the Church Announcements" of "Joe Pera Talks with You"

oh my god

tears of joy

only liking respected nu metal feels like missing the point of nu metal imho

What was the point of nu-metal? SoaD sounded good to me; most nu-metal didn't, particularly.

Edan did some fun retro shit before he did his record collector psych rock album that got tons of great reviews

I mean, there were some singles by e.g. Linkin Park that were fun at the time but that didn't have much shelf life for me.

early korn is cathartic in a psychologically direct way that most music i've encountered isn't. also it's funky as hell, which allowed for them to go full disco stomp on "got the life." other nu-metal bands approach the same idea from different angles

Linkin Park has some amazing music. I think that stuff has aged pretty well, even the stuff that struck me as stilted at the time like "In the End" at least has a poptimist appeal or whatever. But some of the songs are just badass, like "Faint" and "Numb"

almost all the nu metal bands were at least good for a single..."Bawitdaba" is a great karaoke record

in retrospect Kid Rock's schtick was a little limited but he has a few moments ... I feel like he should have had more great songs before he turned country than he actually did

i love a long nu-metal digression on ilm thanks everyone

early korn still slaps

Edan did some fun retro shit before he did his record collector psych rock album that got tons of great reviews

Just listened to this for 1st time in looong time. It's fun.

Unquestionably, yeah.

I never see Sevendust mentioned anywhere these days but they're still pumping out albums.

xp

in retrospect Kid Rock's schtick was a little limited but he has a few moments ... I feel like he should have had more great songs before he turned country than he actually did

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, July 10, 2019 11:08 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah! this is funny to me bc the country turn kinda happens within his first run of major label singles with "only god knows why." i sure loved the hell out of "cowboy" when i was a kid though

sevendust's "black" is one of my absolute favorite nu-metal songs

the drummer who left the band and had a failed surf'n'turf franchise and then sued the band to be let back in but wasn't and fieldy the five-string slap-bassist who did an awful and depressing (in terms of lyrical content, also just sonically) rap record are great rhythm section

I'm still waiting for so-called post-grunge to make a come back.

And is it just me or has Tool's rep dwindled over time?

i mean this stuff isn't just nostalgia-popular its actively Cool for zoomers & young millennials

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, July 10, 2019 12:26 PM (fifty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I’m on the old/young millennial cusp, but I haven’t seen much earnest nostalgia about limp bizkit and korn (SOAD, yes). The real sneered-upon genre getting a mainstream rehab is mallpunk/emo/warped tour stuff, but I guess that’s been happening for a while

XP Post grunge as in DMB, Live, Hootie & the Blowfish, Creed, Nickleback and The Calling?

“Got the life” owns

Sort of, Geir. Was also thinking of Days of the New, Foo Fighters, Local H and Bush. Wouldn't include DMB and Hootie & the Blowfish (and I'm not familiar with The Calling).

'Touch, Peel and Stand' was my jam when I was 12.

the drummer who left the band and had a failed surf'n'turf franchise and then sued the band to be let back in but wasn't and fieldy the five-string slap-bassist who did an awful and depressing (in terms of lyrical content, also just sonically) rap record are great rhythm section

― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, July 10, 2019 11:16 AM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

otm, although silveria's drumming gets more indifferent as the korn records drag on. his replacement is v v good though

I’m on the old/young millennial cusp, but I haven’t seen much earnest nostalgia about limp bizkit and korn (SOAD, yes). The real sneered-upon genre getting a mainstream rehab is mallpunk/emo/warped tour stuff, but I guess that’s been happening for a while

― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Wednesday, July 10, 2019 1:21 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i agree mallpunk/emo/warped tour stuff has its mainstream rehab too but IDK im listening to a bunch of nu metal lately and a lot of it is just ... good. So I guess if you want to accuse me of trend advocacy instead of trendspotting ill accept that, but I dont think ppl are playing songs they hate out of non-earnest nostalgia

the pop punk rehab (rather than the emo one) to me feels a bit corny/underthought, like blink 182 is a boring touchpoint at this pt

Daltrey stanning for hard-Brexit has likely put off a lot of younger potential fans from investigating The Who. Soured a few older fans too no doubt.

There’s probably a whole thread to be filled with these sad cases where some dude in a band has problems and leaves, and years later the rest refuses to let him back in, so he ends up doing the big reunion tour and comeback album on a skimpy session contract.

Does mayor pete repping for everlast count as rehab for post-grunge?

Nah, just a sign that hick hop is cool-ish.

gonna listen to korn all day thanks everyone

fwiw i always conflated nu metal and post grunge at the time & in retrospect I guess I just meant "modern rock" bc hippie grunge like Incubus qualified as "nu metal" in my mind at the time

the Korn debut is very grunge/alternative compared to the later stuff.

i mean there's definite overlap. mudvayne is the band i always like to cite that started off as a proggier slipknot and turned into staind-esque post-grunge xp

i do like "hippie grunge" as a description of incubus lol. imo they were another strain of "bands influenced by faith no more," early incubus sounds exactly like king for a day

Now that Staind has been evoked, Aaron Lewis as a Saving Country Music-approved troubadour is some sort of weird stock rise.

i think of peak korn as 'follow the leader' -> 'issues' i listened to the early stuff a bit to get an idea of how they evolved but i think of their commercial & creative peaks as being fairly synonymous ... sorry im a nu metal poptimist

Have no problem with a nu-metal revival at this point as long as it doesn’t include staind or creed who were always I guess more post-grunge and the worst legacy of the era.