Which artists legacies have improved/worsened during the 2010s?

not a lot of fans of wes anderson's rushmore itt, i guess

Funny, judging from my friends who teach college students, I've gotten the impression that they don't really know Nirvana, but if you play Teen Spirit they say 'oh yeah, I've heard that song'.

Up: astrology references

The first few times I tried listening to Who's Next, all I could to think to myself was 'they don't deserve this drummer'.

the key to listening to who's next is listening for the first time when you're 12 years old.

I just watched season 2 Stranger Things finale and "Every Breath You Take" is the last song played

ok admittedly I should've watched the last couple episodes before posting that

This song was Number One for six weeks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-fA-gBCkj0

That song sucks, but Uptown Funk will be playing at weddings and other parties for years to come.

jfc

https://www.discogs.com/Mark-Ronson-Feat-Bruno-Mars-Uptown-Funk/release/6624863

(the only official vinyl release)

It was in reference to the Police discussion

Bruno still rocks

The comparisons for Queen's biopic success and current playcount might more like: Hamilton OCR, Greatest Showman OST, Glee, Frozen OST. Musical theater has been a rising thing this decade, and it seems more like musical nerds discovering them rather than kids who pick up Pink Floyd, Nirvana and Joy Division tshirts at the mall.

Also, it seems like Bohemian Rhapsody, the song, was already a self-sustaining meme like Don't Stop Believin' or Africa, but those bands don't have a compelling story line behind them. Now I wanna brainstorm angles for making a Toto meme-sploitation screenplay!

I'm calling Homeland Security.

<i>Now I wanna brainstorm angles for making a Toto meme-sploitation screenplay!</i>

Well there is the episode of Yacht Rock about the making of Rosanna.

Serious musical theatre heads know that "Greatest Showman" is bullshit

also anyone who has endured the movie for a any length of time

Now I wanna brainstorm angles for making a Toto meme-sploitation screenplay!

It's all there! "Thriller," drummer who dies in a bizarre gardening accident, that story in the doc about Steve Lukather writing that song for George Benson because the bassist was in the bathroom. The movie writes itself. They could call it "En Toto."

Actually, they would just call it "Hold the Line" or something. And it would be bookended by a performance at the state fair. Any state fair.

Toto Recall

I feel that The Who have always been neglected since the 90s

I thought “turn your love around” was written while ON the crapper

The Who are one of those bands where their legacy didn't carry over to the next generation of listeners. Led Zeppelin, the Doors, the Beatles, the Stones, Pink Floyd...they've all picked up new listeners along the way to varying degrees.

They're a weird band with an inconsistent and somehow sparse back catalogue and were collectively pretty unloveable. Also musically a difficult band to emulate - not technically difficult, but if you tried you'd just sound like, er, The Who.

Like I remember when Suede's first album reached its 20y anniversary release and thinking it had been as long as say when Sgt Pepper got its CD 20y anniversary in the 80s.
Yet it didn't feel that long ago to me regarding Suede whereas between 67 and 87 it seemed like totally different eras.
It might be totally subjective, though and the musical landscape IS totally different now so I don't know...

Hm, I'm interested in this idea, which I hear a lot. Around what year/s do you feel like things started to slow down? What are the qualities that, say, make the #1s from 1987 closer to those from 2007 than those from 1967?

re: nu-metal, again i guess it depends on whether you think this thread is assessing its critical or popular reputation. chocolate starfish is i assume still p radioactive for most critics (i'd love to write a retrospective piece about it lol) whereas people who grew up with it are... making music now, or at least own gentrifier cafes

― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, July 10, 2019 11:09 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

i feel like the gentrifier cafes are critics tho its just that were old ... i mean this stuff isn't just nostalgia-popular its actively Cool for zoomers & young millennials

this song off chocolate starfish is so good lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn8vzTsnPps

a funny thing looking at the DJ I'm reminded of is that nu metal dudes' interactions w/ hip hop were very Run DMC influenced, I've said this elsewhere before but like the only ppl wearing shell toe adidas in the late 90s / early 00s were nu metal fans/artists .. it explains the dated sounding raps from this era

Funny, judging from my friends who teach college students, I've gotten the impression that they don't really know Nirvana, but if you play Teen Spirit they say 'oh yeah, I've heard that song'.

Interesting. I had two different 13yo students in the past year who badly wanted to learn that song as one of their major goals.

i mean they're scratching Rakim saying "check out my melody" lol badass xp

Commercially, Jennifer Lopez, Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera have all lost it thoughout the 10s. A bit uncertain how critically acclaimed they ever were though.

i think out of the three only Britney has had considerable staying power and she'll probably get a major and favorable reassessment at some point (though she's viewed pretty favorably already). J-Lo and C-Ag are just famous ppl at this point.

a funny thing looking at the DJ I'm reminded of is that nu metal dudes' interactions w/ hip hop were very Run DMC influenced, I've said this elsewhere before but like the only ppl wearing shell toe adidas in the late 90s / early 00s were nu metal fans/artists .. it explains the dated sounding raps from this era

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, July 10, 2019 10:28 AM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

i've never considered this before but it's... v otm

which, the era coincided with this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Royal_(album)

britney's rap is very solid, aguilera is kind of a blind spot for me as far as how ppl consider her although I do see ppl give "genie in a bottle" the props it deserves, JLo's stock has fallen bc of the stories about how execs would take songs from like Brandy & gift them to JLo or w/e

britney's rap is very solid

She's more versatile than I thought.

probably because Bring The Noise + Walk This Way were the two big crossovers to a rock audience?

I'm sure it'll never be the critical/retroactive consensus but I still maintain the best thing by far about nu-metal were the Limp Bizkit hits, not SOAD and Deftones. If you're going to be whiny, self-obsessed and juvenile, at least have the decency to keep it simple and bring the hooks.

They're a weird band with an inconsistent and somehow sparse back catalogue and were collectively pretty unloveable. Also musically a difficult band to emulate - not technically difficult, but if you tried you'd just sound like, er, The Who.

― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Wednesday, July 10, 2019 1:20 PM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

That's just it: as hugely influential as they are, nobody resembles them. Zeppelin has Kingdom Come and Greta Van Fleet and a bunch of others, but there aren't any (obvious, at least) Who ripoff bands.

The best thing Who related to come out recently is the episode "Joe Pera Reads You the Church Announcements" of "Joe Pera Talks with You", which not enough people watched.

And the Who's back catalogue isn't sparse so much as it's a mess: there's nearly as much studio material as, say, the Stones put out from the '60s through the '70s, but chunks of it are on singles or outtakes collections (and some is still unreleased).

xxp

love this thread. I'll add a category to the stock up/stock down framework.
It's complicated: current mainstream country.

it explains the dated sounding raps from this era

there was a "take it back to the old school" lil trend around when numetal was happening too no? I'm thinking of acts like Jurassic 5 but I know there were others.

I'm sure it'll never be the critical/retroactive consensus but I still maintain the best thing by far about nu-metal were the Limp Bizkit hits, not SOAD and Deftones. If you're going to be whiny, self-obsessed and juvenile, at least have the decency to keep it simple and bring the hooks.

― Siegbran, Wednesday, July 10, 2019 10:38 AM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

fair description of why the limp bizkit singles are good but soad and deftones aren't remotely whiny, self-obsessed, or juvenile. which is i guess why they've never felt exactly like they belonged to the genre!

slipknot's "wait and bleed" another peak of whiny self-obsessed juvenile nu-metal with hooks, just to harder ends (which is why they've always had cred to some degree)

Black Eyed Peas were part of that, "Old School" movement, before they really blew up.

good call. Guess it was an LA thing mainly? People Under the Stairs too. Ugly Duckling.

I think of Korn as being the archetypal nu metal band and their songs are A+ ... freak on a leash is incredible

Deftones are super whiny and self-obsessed, they're just whiny and self-obsessed in a "dude in the back row of homeroom moping in a different Cure shirt every day" kind of way.

SOAD had a proggy respectability & deftones I never listened to that much but I remember ppl taking them seriously ... but only liking respected nu metal feels like missing the point of nu metal imho

i completely agree with that

though i think you'd really love a lot of deftones stuff deej (i'm basing this entirely on abe cunningham's drumming)

only liking respected nu metal feels like missing the point of nu metal imho

Agree, which is why I still listen to Static-X regularly. (Plus, Static-X were more of a Ministry ripoff than a nu-metal band, except for their third album, when the label tried really hard to shove them into a Korn-shaped box. It sucked.)

good call. Guess it was an LA thing mainly? People Under the Stairs too. Ugly Duckling.

There's a lot of Canadian stuff from around then that I might put in that category. Like, I used to think the Black Eyed Peas were a Canadian group when they first started.

The best thing Who related to come out recently is the episode "Joe Pera Reads You the Church Announcements" of "Joe Pera Talks with You"

oh my god

tears of joy