So-called 'extreme' metal is seemingly less prized now than it was in the mid to late 00s.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:13 (four years ago) link
xp I certainly do (and did)
― sleeve, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:13 (four years ago) link
Not sure why that is but as someone who really grew up listening to classic rock The Who were the one huge band that i distinctly remember not appealing to me and i knew zero kids growing up who listened to them.
cosign
i think they're like a crusty uncle band and they're a bit too corny
― omar little, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:15 (four years ago) link
The Breeders are better than the Pixies btw
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:16 (four years ago) link
I always thought so!
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:21 (four years ago) link
Fleetwood Mac probably only lost some critical standing...I've seen a number of pans or at least mixed reviews of the current tour. But those shows are still selling.
― frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:23 (four years ago) link
Not sure why that is but as someone who really grew up listening to classic rock The Who were the one huge band that i distinctly remember not appealing to me and i knew zero kids growing up who listened to them.cosign
same here. I thought of them as that cheesy band that did that dumb song & film about blind pinball kid and whose singer just swirled the mic around by the cord while the obnoxious guitarist jumped around the stage.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:28 (four years ago) link
im 28 and i was one of two who fans in my high school
― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:29 (four years ago) link
between the Breeders and the Pixies it's not a contest for me at this point and throwing in the Amps album seems almost unfair.
― omar little, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:30 (four years ago) link
not a lot of fans of wes anderson's rushmore itt, i guess
― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:30 (four years ago) link
Funny, judging from my friends who teach college students, I've gotten the impression that they don't really know Nirvana, but if you play Teen Spirit they say 'oh yeah, I've heard that song'.
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:32 (four years ago) link
Up: astrology references
The first few times I tried listening to Who's Next, all I could to think to myself was 'they don't deserve this drummer'.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:32 (four years ago) link
the key to listening to who's next is listening for the first time when you're 12 years old.
― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:37 (four years ago) link
I just watched season 2 Stranger Things finale and "Every Breath You Take" is the last song played
ok admittedly I should've watched the last couple episodes before posting that
― frogbs, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:39 (four years ago) link
This song was Number One for six weeks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-fA-gBCkj0
― space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:41 (four years ago) link
That song sucks, but Uptown Funk will be playing at weddings and other parties for years to come.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:43 (four years ago) link
jfc
https://www.discogs.com/Mark-Ronson-Feat-Bruno-Mars-Uptown-Funk/release/6624863
(the only official vinyl release)
― sleeve, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:44 (four years ago) link
It was in reference to the Police discussion
Bruno still rocks
― space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:45 (four years ago) link
The comparisons for Queen's biopic success and current playcount might more like: Hamilton OCR, Greatest Showman OST, Glee, Frozen OST. Musical theater has been a rising thing this decade, and it seems more like musical nerds discovering them rather than kids who pick up Pink Floyd, Nirvana and Joy Division tshirts at the mall.
Also, it seems like Bohemian Rhapsody, the song, was already a self-sustaining meme like Don't Stop Believin' or Africa, but those bands don't have a compelling story line behind them. Now I wanna brainstorm angles for making a Toto meme-sploitation screenplay!
― bendy, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:50 (four years ago) link
I'm calling Homeland Security.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:54 (four years ago) link
<i>Now I wanna brainstorm angles for making a Toto meme-sploitation screenplay!</i>
Well there is the episode of Yacht Rock about the making of Rosanna.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:58 (four years ago) link
Serious musical theatre heads know that "Greatest Showman" is bullshit
― jou're much too jung, girl (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:59 (four years ago) link
also anyone who has endured the movie for a any length of time
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 17:08 (four years ago) link
Now I wanna brainstorm angles for making a Toto meme-sploitation screenplay!
It's all there! "Thriller," drummer who dies in a bizarre gardening accident, that story in the doc about Steve Lukather writing that song for George Benson because the bassist was in the bathroom. The movie writes itself. They could call it "En Toto."
Actually, they would just call it "Hold the Line" or something. And it would be bookended by a performance at the state fair. Any state fair.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 17:14 (four years ago) link
Toto Recall
― thomasintrouble, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 17:16 (four years ago) link
I feel that The Who have always been neglected since the 90s
― . (Michael B), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 17:18 (four years ago) link
I thought “turn your love around” was written while ON the crapper
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 17:18 (four years ago) link
The Who are one of those bands where their legacy didn't carry over to the next generation of listeners. Led Zeppelin, the Doors, the Beatles, the Stones, Pink Floyd...they've all picked up new listeners along the way to varying degrees.
They're a weird band with an inconsistent and somehow sparse back catalogue and were collectively pretty unloveable. Also musically a difficult band to emulate - not technically difficult, but if you tried you'd just sound like, er, The Who.
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 17:20 (four years ago) link
Like I remember when Suede's first album reached its 20y anniversary release and thinking it had been as long as say when Sgt Pepper got its CD 20y anniversary in the 80s.Yet it didn't feel that long ago to me regarding Suede whereas between 67 and 87 it seemed like totally different eras.It might be totally subjective, though and the musical landscape IS totally different now so I don't know...
Hm, I'm interested in this idea, which I hear a lot. Around what year/s do you feel like things started to slow down? What are the qualities that, say, make the #1s from 1987 closer to those from 2007 than those from 1967?
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 17:25 (four years ago) link
re: nu-metal, again i guess it depends on whether you think this thread is assessing its critical or popular reputation. chocolate starfish is i assume still p radioactive for most critics (i'd love to write a retrospective piece about it lol) whereas people who grew up with it are... making music now, or at least own gentrifier cafes
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, July 10, 2019 11:09 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
i feel like the gentrifier cafes are critics tho its just that were old ... i mean this stuff isn't just nostalgia-popular its actively Cool for zoomers & young millennials
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 17:26 (four years ago) link
this song off chocolate starfish is so good lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn8vzTsnPps
a funny thing looking at the DJ I'm reminded of is that nu metal dudes' interactions w/ hip hop were very Run DMC influenced, I've said this elsewhere before but like the only ppl wearing shell toe adidas in the late 90s / early 00s were nu metal fans/artists .. it explains the dated sounding raps from this era
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 17:28 (four years ago) link
Interesting. I had two different 13yo students in the past year who badly wanted to learn that song as one of their major goals.
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 17:28 (four years ago) link
i mean they're scratching Rakim saying "check out my melody" lol badass xp
Commercially, Jennifer Lopez, Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera have all lost it thoughout the 10s. A bit uncertain how critically acclaimed they ever were though.
― The GeirBot (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 17:29 (four years ago) link
i think out of the three only Britney has had considerable staying power and she'll probably get a major and favorable reassessment at some point (though she's viewed pretty favorably already). J-Lo and C-Ag are just famous ppl at this point.
― omar little, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 17:31 (four years ago) link
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, July 10, 2019 10:28 AM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink
i've never considered this before but it's... v otm
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 17:31 (four years ago) link
which, the era coincided with this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Royal_(album)
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 17:32 (four years ago) link
britney's rap is very solid, aguilera is kind of a blind spot for me as far as how ppl consider her although I do see ppl give "genie in a bottle" the props it deserves, JLo's stock has fallen bc of the stories about how execs would take songs from like Brandy & gift them to JLo or w/e
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 17:33 (four years ago) link
britney's rap is very solid
She's more versatile than I thought.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 17:35 (four years ago) link
probably because Bring The Noise + Walk This Way were the two big crossovers to a rock audience?
I'm sure it'll never be the critical/retroactive consensus but I still maintain the best thing by far about nu-metal were the Limp Bizkit hits, not SOAD and Deftones. If you're going to be whiny, self-obsessed and juvenile, at least have the decency to keep it simple and bring the hooks.
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 17:38 (four years ago) link
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Wednesday, July 10, 2019 1:20 PM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
That's just it: as hugely influential as they are, nobody resembles them. Zeppelin has Kingdom Come and Greta Van Fleet and a bunch of others, but there aren't any (obvious, at least) Who ripoff bands.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 17:39 (four years ago) link
The best thing Who related to come out recently is the episode "Joe Pera Reads You the Church Announcements" of "Joe Pera Talks with You", which not enough people watched.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 17:42 (four years ago) link
And the Who's back catalogue isn't sparse so much as it's a mess: there's nearly as much studio material as, say, the Stones put out from the '60s through the '70s, but chunks of it are on singles or outtakes collections (and some is still unreleased).
xxp
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 17:44 (four years ago) link
love this thread. I'll add a category to the stock up/stock down framework.It's complicated: current mainstream country.
― campreverb, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 17:45 (four years ago) link
it explains the dated sounding raps from this era
there was a "take it back to the old school" lil trend around when numetal was happening too no? I'm thinking of acts like Jurassic 5 but I know there were others.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 17:48 (four years ago) link
― Siegbran, Wednesday, July 10, 2019 10:38 AM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
fair description of why the limp bizkit singles are good but soad and deftones aren't remotely whiny, self-obsessed, or juvenile. which is i guess why they've never felt exactly like they belonged to the genre!
slipknot's "wait and bleed" another peak of whiny self-obsessed juvenile nu-metal with hooks, just to harder ends (which is why they've always had cred to some degree)
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 17:49 (four years ago) link
Black Eyed Peas were part of that, "Old School" movement, before they really blew up.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 17:49 (four years ago) link