Which artists legacies have improved/worsened during the 2010s?

I feel like Prince's death def increased his cultural cache

nu metal has def been reassessed, in its cheesiest/commercial forms too not just "respectable" stuff like SOAD/Deftones ... gentrifier cafe was playing Limp Bizkit the other day ... "Butterfly" is a certain classic (maybe not metal-qualifying but visually). but the whole of commercial rock from the early 00s sounds better now than it did initially IMO, heard puddle of mudd in the gym & it jams, Korn are obv good etc

I think Sublime's critical profile has certainly risen to the extent that turgid crit lodestars like lana del rey are covering them

Prince's death also made his music more readily available.

I would say Nirvana's standing has gone up now that we're further from neo grunge movement

thanks, Lil Nas!

Speaking of Rocketman and Bohemian Rhapsody, and on a slightly different tangent, it seems like stocks in music biopics and films with pop-music-centred narratives have skyrocketed (A Star is Born, Yesterday). I thought that by the end of the last decade, Dewey Cox had had the final say in highlighting the stupidity of many music films and was a pretty perfect spoof.

But now it seems like music/film nerds and critics are actually taking these films seriously again. I haven't seen any of the recent ones so I can't comment on their quality or whether the tired tropes usually contained within them remain the same, but the trailers seem just as woeful as anything released in earlier years. What's behind them gaining more respectability? Are these movies actually good? Are they adding something of value and truth to the story of these artists' careers? Or are people desperate for comfort food in an otherwise remarkably depressing era?

Like, if that Runaways biopic with Kirsten Stewart and Dakota Fanning was announced in 2019, the internet would melt down. No one gave a shit in 2010.

Yeah Nirvana have gone up for sure. At least, some of my high school students are very into them. Feel they are like Stones level at this point

NIN/Reznor has to have gone up a bit given his soundtrack work combined with the very recent Black Mirror and Lil Nas X

But now it seems like music/film nerds and critics are actually taking these films seriously again

no.

the general public is flocking to them, but most critics/music nerds/film nerds aren't embracing them. (academy awards excepted, but then again they don't fit in with either of those three categories)

now it seems like music/film nerds and critics are actually taking these films seriously again.

no

Haha fair enough.

Looking at that list, The Who clearly have clearly gone down. In the 80s they were a firm #3 or #4 in the classic rock canon, behind only the Beatles and Stones and possibly Led Zeppelin.

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The awful 1989 Who tour dealt a huge blow to their legacy, from which they've arguably never recovered. Every tour after that was, "how many 'reunion tours' are those guys gonna do?" Their late-'90s tours played to more than a few half-empty arenas in the US.

And then their songs were on every CSI show all the time, so people got sick of "that YYYYYEEAAAAAHH! song" pretty quickly.

re: mixtape rap mentioned upthread, I don't think it's just the rise in profile of Gucci but also a series of rappers from that era (Max B, Boosie, etc.) & also the way the streaming industry legitimized the popularity of that stuff by forcing Billboard to acknowledge what had been off the book streams on LiveMixtapes, DatPiff, etc

The Police are a weird one, I never hear anyone really talk about them and you don't hear any of their songs in revival stuff like Stranger Things.

I just watched season 2 Stranger Things finale and "Every Breath You Take" is the last song played

nu metal has def been reassessed, in its cheesiest/commercial forms too not just "respectable" stuff like SOAD/Deftones ... gentrifier cafe was playing Limp Bizkit the other day ... "Butterfly" is a certain classic (maybe not metal-qualifying but visually). but the whole of commercial rock from the early 00s sounds better now than it did initially IMO, heard puddle of mudd in the gym & it jams, Korn are obv good etc

idk man. "butterfly" def qualifies, i'll concede that (even though it approaches rap metal through an rhcp sample... for a song i hate with all of my heart it's v smart)

imo the peak cultural cachet for "butterfly" was its recurring appearance in the movie orange county

Feel like Fleetwood Mac's sacking of Buckingham is already causing a substantial tumble in their standing.

I never see people my age (41) wearing Nirvana shirts, but do see quite a few youngins wearing them.
But after asking a 22 yr old "Oh cool there's still Thrasher magazine and young people read it??" and getting a "huh? oh I just like the design of the shirt" response, I'm not sure if they even listen to Nirvana!

dunno if that's true but it took more than twenty years for people to stop their sexist yapping about Buckingham at the expense of Nicks + McVie.

re: nu-metal, again i guess it depends on whether you think this thread is assessing its critical or popular reputation. chocolate starfish is i assume still p radioactive for most critics (i'd love to write a retrospective piece about it lol) whereas people who grew up with it are... making music now, or at least own gentrifier cafes

The Who are one of those bands where their legacy didn't carry over to the next generation of listeners. Led Zeppelin, the Doors, the Beatles, the Stones, Pink Floyd...they've all picked up new listeners along the way to varying degrees. Not sure why that is but as someone who really grew up listening to classic rock The Who were the one huge band that i distinctly remember not appealing to me and i knew zero kids growing up who listened to them.

The Breeders' rep has improved to the point that i think a lot of ppl consider them superior to the Pixies

So-called 'extreme' metal is seemingly less prized now than it was in the mid to late 00s.

xp I certainly do (and did)

Not sure why that is but as someone who really grew up listening to classic rock The Who were the one huge band that i distinctly remember not appealing to me and i knew zero kids growing up who listened to them.

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i think they're like a crusty uncle band and they're a bit too corny

The Breeders are better than the Pixies btw

I always thought so!

Fleetwood Mac probably only lost some critical standing...I've seen a number of pans or at least mixed reviews of the current tour. But those shows are still selling.

Not sure why that is but as someone who really grew up listening to classic rock The Who were the one huge band that i distinctly remember not appealing to me and i knew zero kids growing up who listened to them.
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same here. I thought of them as that cheesy band that did that dumb song & film about blind pinball kid and whose singer just swirled the mic around by the cord while the obnoxious guitarist jumped around the stage.

im 28 and i was one of two who fans in my high school

between the Breeders and the Pixies it's not a contest for me at this point and throwing in the Amps album seems almost unfair.

not a lot of fans of wes anderson's rushmore itt, i guess

Funny, judging from my friends who teach college students, I've gotten the impression that they don't really know Nirvana, but if you play Teen Spirit they say 'oh yeah, I've heard that song'.

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The first few times I tried listening to Who's Next, all I could to think to myself was 'they don't deserve this drummer'.

the key to listening to who's next is listening for the first time when you're 12 years old.

I just watched season 2 Stranger Things finale and "Every Breath You Take" is the last song played

ok admittedly I should've watched the last couple episodes before posting that

This song was Number One for six weeks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-fA-gBCkj0

That song sucks, but Uptown Funk will be playing at weddings and other parties for years to come.

jfc

https://www.discogs.com/Mark-Ronson-Feat-Bruno-Mars-Uptown-Funk/release/6624863

(the only official vinyl release)

It was in reference to the Police discussion

Bruno still rocks

The comparisons for Queen's biopic success and current playcount might more like: Hamilton OCR, Greatest Showman OST, Glee, Frozen OST. Musical theater has been a rising thing this decade, and it seems more like musical nerds discovering them rather than kids who pick up Pink Floyd, Nirvana and Joy Division tshirts at the mall.

Also, it seems like Bohemian Rhapsody, the song, was already a self-sustaining meme like Don't Stop Believin' or Africa, but those bands don't have a compelling story line behind them. Now I wanna brainstorm angles for making a Toto meme-sploitation screenplay!

I'm calling Homeland Security.

<i>Now I wanna brainstorm angles for making a Toto meme-sploitation screenplay!</i>

Well there is the episode of Yacht Rock about the making of Rosanna.

Serious musical theatre heads know that "Greatest Showman" is bullshit

also anyone who has endured the movie for a any length of time

Now I wanna brainstorm angles for making a Toto meme-sploitation screenplay!

It's all there! "Thriller," drummer who dies in a bizarre gardening accident, that story in the doc about Steve Lukather writing that song for George Benson because the bassist was in the bathroom. The movie writes itself. They could call it "En Toto."

Actually, they would just call it "Hold the Line" or something. And it would be bookended by a performance at the state fair. Any state fair.

Toto Recall

I feel that The Who have always been neglected since the 90s