Is there a 90s nostalgia going on ?I don't really hear/see things inspired by grunge, new jack swing, britpop, triphop... but I'm not at all in touch with the current trends !There’s a huge ‘90s influence in indie rock / indie pop these days, and also R&B to a somewhat lesser extent
― stan by me (morrisp), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 13:59 (four years ago) link
regarding that beatles movie, it's been in the box office top 5 for the past three weeks.
― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 13:59 (four years ago) link
Nirvana seems bigger now than they were in the noughties so I'd chalk that up to the (subtle) 90s revival that is currently unfolding.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 14:01 (four years ago) link
A specific ‘90s style that seems really big at the moment is female-fronted “cuddlecore” / Daria soundtrack–type rock.
― stan by me (morrisp), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 14:02 (four years ago) link
(which I guess is fitting as Daria itself is coming back)
hum, found this interesting part of a RS article about the the Beatles movie (I don't know the Florida teen mentioned though) :
"For a prototypical Beatle fan in 2019, just look to Emma Gonzalez, the Florida teen who became a gun-control (and LGBTQ) activist last year. She’s a Ringo stan who loves to wear her Fabs shirt in TV interviews and wrote on Twitter, “I feel like Beatles songs were made to be sung by powerful women.”"
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 14:07 (four years ago) link
For today's kids, The Beatles are about as long ago as Al Jolson was for me as a kid. If new music is in the style of The Beatles it would be more likely to be influenced more by the likes of Oasis and Blur or even Kaiser Chiefs.
― The GeirBot (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 14:10 (four years ago) link
we've established that critical cache/coolness and commercial appeal are different things, but for fun here's some legacy acts and their monthly spotify listeners
Michael Jackson: 22.2milThe Beatles: 20.2milElton John: 20.1milWhitney Houston: 19.9milThe Rolling Stones: 15.4milFleetwood Mac: 14.9milNirvana: 13.4milStevie Wonder: 13.1milLed Zeppelin: 12.9milEagles: 12.4milU2: 12.4milThe Police: 12.4milBilly Joel: 12milMarvin Gaye: 12milTom Petty (combined with Heartbreakers): 12milPink Floyd: 11.2milREM: 8.5milVan Morrison: 8.4milELO: 8milBob Dylan: 7.9milPrince: 7.8mil (prob deflated by his stuff hitting tidal first)
oh and Queen: 32.9mil
― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 14:10 (four years ago) link
meant to include Bowie too: 12.4mil
Queen: 900mil
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 14:11 (four years ago) link
oops, Queen were there
Police above Petty and Floyd is a big surprise, as I see t-shirts all the time for those two, and Police feel like they're in the same dwindling regard as REM.
― bendy, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 14:27 (four years ago) link
Looking at that list, The Who clearly have clearly gone down. In the 80s they were a firm #3 or #4 in the classic rock canon, behind only the Beatles and Stones and possibly Led Zeppelin.
― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 14:43 (four years ago) link
The Police are a weird one, I never hear anyone really talk about them and you don't hear any of their songs in revival stuff like Stranger Things. and yet that 2007 reunion was wildly successful, I went to one of those shows and was kinda floored at how many young people were there
on a similar note, Phil Collins? was a punching bag throughout my entire childhood but it seems it's okay to like him now
― frogbs, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 14:52 (four years ago) link
Has Kate Bush's status gone up in the past ten years, or is it around the same as it was circa 2009?
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 14:53 (four years ago) link
Seems like Neil has maintained steady levels of reverence - reliably dependable stock
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 14:53 (four years ago) link
Whitney Houston is definitely having a moment.The Police are a weird one, I never hear anyone really talk about them and you don't hear any of their songs in revival stuff like Stranger Things.Here’s an interesting recent citation:https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/ariana-grande-thank-u-next-savan-kotecha-interview-791280/
That one came from: What would happen if Ari did a Police kind of melody? When I was coming up with the melody it was more that kind of thing, and a Police kind of guitar with a trap beat. What would that feel like?
― stan by me (morrisp), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 14:56 (four years ago) link
Which Neil? Young?
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 14:57 (four years ago) link
Phil Collins: 11.6milThe Who: 7.4milNeil Young: 5.2milKate Bush: 1.6mil
― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 15:03 (four years ago) link
those are very interesting Spotify counts, thanks
― sleeve, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 15:05 (four years ago) link
Has Kate Bush's status gone up in the past ten years, or is it around the same as it was circa 2009?https://variety.com/2019/music/news/billie-eilish-kate-bush-1203260731/
― stan by me (morrisp), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 15:06 (four years ago) link
Yeah sorry Neil Young- despite or because of wildly inconsistent (but frequent) output, he seems to be just as beloved as he ever has been
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 15:09 (four years ago) link
We need a token 17 year old for interrogative purposes.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 15:10 (four years ago) link
And a token 27 year old with a really good memory?
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 15:12 (four years ago) link
My 14 year old niece loves Queen, Prince & Bowie but I suspect that her mother’s tastes may have played a role
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 15:13 (four years ago) link
Or even a token 25-year-old.
― stan by me (morrisp), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 15:14 (four years ago) link
(sorry, xposts – the app screwed up my zinger)
― stan by me (morrisp), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 15:15 (four years ago) link
Regarding The Police, Magic!, who had a transatlantic #1 in 2014 with "Rude", cited them as a huge influence.
2014 is some time ago though, and Magic! were a one hit wonder.
― The GeirBot (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 15:25 (four years ago) link
I feel like Prince's death def increased his cultural cache
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 15:29 (four years ago) link
nu metal has def been reassessed, in its cheesiest/commercial forms too not just "respectable" stuff like SOAD/Deftones ... gentrifier cafe was playing Limp Bizkit the other day ... "Butterfly" is a certain classic (maybe not metal-qualifying but visually). but the whole of commercial rock from the early 00s sounds better now than it did initially IMO, heard puddle of mudd in the gym & it jams, Korn are obv good etc
I think Sublime's critical profile has certainly risen to the extent that turgid crit lodestars like lana del rey are covering them
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 15:34 (four years ago) link
Prince's death also made his music more readily available.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 15:37 (four years ago) link
I would say Nirvana's standing has gone up now that we're further from neo grunge movement
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 15:38 (four years ago) link
thanks, Lil Nas!
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 15:43 (four years ago) link
Speaking of Rocketman and Bohemian Rhapsody, and on a slightly different tangent, it seems like stocks in music biopics and films with pop-music-centred narratives have skyrocketed (A Star is Born, Yesterday). I thought that by the end of the last decade, Dewey Cox had had the final say in highlighting the stupidity of many music films and was a pretty perfect spoof.
But now it seems like music/film nerds and critics are actually taking these films seriously again. I haven't seen any of the recent ones so I can't comment on their quality or whether the tired tropes usually contained within them remain the same, but the trailers seem just as woeful as anything released in earlier years. What's behind them gaining more respectability? Are these movies actually good? Are they adding something of value and truth to the story of these artists' careers? Or are people desperate for comfort food in an otherwise remarkably depressing era?
Like, if that Runaways biopic with Kirsten Stewart and Dakota Fanning was announced in 2019, the internet would melt down. No one gave a shit in 2010.
― triggercut, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 15:54 (four years ago) link
Yeah Nirvana have gone up for sure. At least, some of my high school students are very into them. Feel they are like Stones level at this point
NIN/Reznor has to have gone up a bit given his soundtrack work combined with the very recent Black Mirror and Lil Nas X
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 15:54 (four years ago) link
But now it seems like music/film nerds and critics are actually taking these films seriously again
no.
― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 15:56 (four years ago) link
the general public is flocking to them, but most critics/music nerds/film nerds aren't embracing them. (academy awards excepted, but then again they don't fit in with either of those three categories)
― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 15:57 (four years ago) link
now it seems like music/film nerds and critics are actually taking these films seriously again.
no
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 15:58 (four years ago) link
Haha fair enough.
― triggercut, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 15:59 (four years ago) link
― kornrulez6969, Wednesday, July 10, 2019 10:43 AM (forty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
The awful 1989 Who tour dealt a huge blow to their legacy, from which they've arguably never recovered. Every tour after that was, "how many 'reunion tours' are those guys gonna do?" Their late-'90s tours played to more than a few half-empty arenas in the US.
And then their songs were on every CSI show all the time, so people got sick of "that YYYYYEEAAAAAHH! song" pretty quickly.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 15:59 (four years ago) link
re: mixtape rap mentioned upthread, I don't think it's just the rise in profile of Gucci but also a series of rappers from that era (Max B, Boosie, etc.) & also the way the streaming industry legitimized the popularity of that stuff by forcing Billboard to acknowledge what had been off the book streams on LiveMixtapes, DatPiff, etc
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:02 (four years ago) link
The Police are a weird one, I never hear anyone really talk about them and you don't hear any of their songs in revival stuff like Stranger Things.
I just watched season 2 Stranger Things finale and "Every Breath You Take" is the last song played
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:02 (four years ago) link
idk man. "butterfly" def qualifies, i'll concede that (even though it approaches rap metal through an rhcp sample... for a song i hate with all of my heart it's v smart)
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:03 (four years ago) link
imo the peak cultural cachet for "butterfly" was its recurring appearance in the movie orange county
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:04 (four years ago) link
Feel like Fleetwood Mac's sacking of Buckingham is already causing a substantial tumble in their standing.
― van dyke parks generator (anagram), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:05 (four years ago) link
I never see people my age (41) wearing Nirvana shirts, but do see quite a few youngins wearing them. But after asking a 22 yr old "Oh cool there's still Thrasher magazine and young people read it??" and getting a "huh? oh I just like the design of the shirt" response, I'm not sure if they even listen to Nirvana!
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:06 (four years ago) link
dunno if that's true but it took more than twenty years for people to stop their sexist yapping about Buckingham at the expense of Nicks + McVie.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:06 (four years ago) link
re: nu-metal, again i guess it depends on whether you think this thread is assessing its critical or popular reputation. chocolate starfish is i assume still p radioactive for most critics (i'd love to write a retrospective piece about it lol) whereas people who grew up with it are... making music now, or at least own gentrifier cafes
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:09 (four years ago) link
The Who are one of those bands where their legacy didn't carry over to the next generation of listeners. Led Zeppelin, the Doors, the Beatles, the Stones, Pink Floyd...they've all picked up new listeners along the way to varying degrees. Not sure why that is but as someone who really grew up listening to classic rock The Who were the one huge band that i distinctly remember not appealing to me and i knew zero kids growing up who listened to them.
― omar little, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:11 (four years ago) link
The Breeders' rep has improved to the point that i think a lot of ppl consider them superior to the Pixies
― omar little, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 16:12 (four years ago) link