Which artists legacies have improved/worsened during the 2010s?

ahah yeah I thought about that movie but somehow I doubt it will have the effect the Queen and Elton John movie had.

Well a sizeable chunk of the public seems to have finally realized that Richard Curtis and Danny Boyle are for shit so fingers crossed.

There is a major fucking motion picture about the fucking Beatles in 2000 and fucking 19 and there are still endless fucking people fucking going on and fucking on about them

― jou're much too jung, girl (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, July 10, 2019 2:29 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Maybe if you stopped talking about them there'd be less?
I'm only speaking from my own POV of course..

Hey I haven't had a "fuck the Beatles" tear in ages, needed to get it off my lungs

Is this even about the quality of these Queen/Elton movies (which I haven't seen) ?
From what I understand, they're pretty bad, aren't they ?
Maybe the main issue with the Beatles movie is that it actually not a Beatles movie : it doesn't portray them at all (and you don't even hear their songs, just covers) so it might be difficult to build excitement about them...
That reminds me of my teenage years, when Olivier Stone single-handedly revived the Doors !

(speaking of Beatles movie : there was also a Ron Howard documentary released a couple years ago iirc)

As someone who runs a new wave / post-punk / old school electro type night, it feels like even that era has lost a fair bit of cachet in recent years. 80s nostalgia is for Gen Xers and millennials, and trying to romanticise the B52s, Talking Heads and Gang Of Four is pretty ageing. That said, early house and techno is considered really cool and I'm surprised how many students will turn up to those kinds of nights round here.

this stuff all had its moment a decade ago with LCD Soundsystem and the rest of the DFA bands so it kinda makes sense that everyone's sick of it now

as long as the Zombies and Byrds end up atop the pile I'm cool

― imago

Zombies revisionism/worship is possibly one of the most annoying things abt this current decade, such an overrated band

"stuff from 30 years ago you can ironically like" will always be cool.

wait what xp

That reminds me of my teenage years, when Olivier Stone single-handedly revived the Doors !

I get the sense that the Doors never underwent a reputation slump in France, partly on account of the language barrier.

Also the Zombies are good and that is a fact.

how can you hate on the zombies, they're so full of music and joy and friendliness

Is there a 90s nostalgia going on ?
I don't really hear/see things inspired by grunge, new jack swing, britpop, triphop... but I'm not at all in touch with the current trends !

There’s a huge ‘90s influence in indie rock / indie pop these days, and also R&B to a somewhat lesser extent

regarding that beatles movie, it's been in the box office top 5 for the past three weeks.

Nirvana seems bigger now than they were in the noughties so I'd chalk that up to the (subtle) 90s revival that is currently unfolding.

A specific ‘90s style that seems really big at the moment is female-fronted “cuddlecore” / Daria soundtrack–type rock.

(which I guess is fitting as Daria itself is coming back)

hum, found this interesting part of a RS article about the the Beatles movie (I don't know the Florida teen mentioned though) :

"For a prototypical Beatle fan in 2019, just look to Emma Gonzalez, the Florida teen who became a gun-control (and LGBTQ) activist last year. She’s a Ringo stan who loves to wear her Fabs shirt in TV interviews and wrote on Twitter, “I feel like Beatles songs were made to be sung by powerful women.”"

For today's kids, The Beatles are about as long ago as Al Jolson was for me as a kid. If new music is in the style of The Beatles it would be more likely to be influenced more by the likes of Oasis and Blur or even Kaiser Chiefs.

we've established that critical cache/coolness and commercial appeal are different things, but for fun here's some legacy acts and their monthly spotify listeners

Michael Jackson: 22.2mil
The Beatles: 20.2mil
Elton John: 20.1mil
Whitney Houston: 19.9mil
The Rolling Stones: 15.4mil
Fleetwood Mac: 14.9mil
Nirvana: 13.4mil
Stevie Wonder: 13.1mil
Led Zeppelin: 12.9mil
Eagles: 12.4mil
U2: 12.4mil
The Police: 12.4mil
Billy Joel: 12mil
Marvin Gaye: 12mil
Tom Petty (combined with Heartbreakers): 12mil
Pink Floyd: 11.2mil
REM: 8.5mil
Van Morrison: 8.4mil
ELO: 8mil
Bob Dylan: 7.9mil
Prince: 7.8mil (prob deflated by his stuff hitting tidal first)

oh and Queen: 32.9mil

meant to include Bowie too: 12.4mil

Queen: 900mil

oops, Queen were there

Police above Petty and Floyd is a big surprise, as I see t-shirts all the time for those two, and Police feel like they're in the same dwindling regard as REM.

Looking at that list, The Who clearly have clearly gone down. In the 80s they were a firm #3 or #4 in the classic rock canon, behind only the Beatles and Stones and possibly Led Zeppelin.

The Police are a weird one, I never hear anyone really talk about them and you don't hear any of their songs in revival stuff like Stranger Things. and yet that 2007 reunion was wildly successful, I went to one of those shows and was kinda floored at how many young people were there

on a similar note, Phil Collins? was a punching bag throughout my entire childhood but it seems it's okay to like him now

Has Kate Bush's status gone up in the past ten years, or is it around the same as it was circa 2009?

Seems like Neil has maintained steady levels of reverence - reliably dependable stock

Whitney Houston is definitely having a moment.

The Police are a weird one, I never hear anyone really talk about them and you don't hear any of their songs in revival stuff like Stranger Things.

Here’s an interesting recent citation:

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/ariana-grande-thank-u-next-savan-kotecha-interview-791280/

That one came from: What would happen if Ari did a Police kind of melody? When I was coming up with the melody it was more that kind of thing, and a Police kind of guitar with a trap beat. What would that feel like?

Which Neil? Young?

Phil Collins: 11.6mil
The Who: 7.4mil
Neil Young: 5.2mil
Kate Bush: 1.6mil

those are very interesting Spotify counts, thanks

Has Kate Bush's status gone up in the past ten years, or is it around the same as it was circa 2009?

https://variety.com/2019/music/news/billie-eilish-kate-bush-1203260731/

Yeah sorry Neil Young- despite or because of wildly inconsistent (but frequent) output, he seems to be just as beloved as he ever has been

We need a token 17 year old for interrogative purposes.

And a token 27 year old with a really good memory?

My 14 year old niece loves Queen, Prince & Bowie but I suspect that her mother’s tastes may have played a role

Or even a token 25-year-old.

(sorry, xposts – the app screwed up my zinger)

Regarding The Police, Magic!, who had a transatlantic #1 in 2014 with "Rude", cited them as a huge influence.

2014 is some time ago though, and Magic! were a one hit wonder.

I feel like Prince's death def increased his cultural cache

nu metal has def been reassessed, in its cheesiest/commercial forms too not just "respectable" stuff like SOAD/Deftones ... gentrifier cafe was playing Limp Bizkit the other day ... "Butterfly" is a certain classic (maybe not metal-qualifying but visually). but the whole of commercial rock from the early 00s sounds better now than it did initially IMO, heard puddle of mudd in the gym & it jams, Korn are obv good etc

I think Sublime's critical profile has certainly risen to the extent that turgid crit lodestars like lana del rey are covering them

Prince's death also made his music more readily available.

I would say Nirvana's standing has gone up now that we're further from neo grunge movement

thanks, Lil Nas!

Speaking of Rocketman and Bohemian Rhapsody, and on a slightly different tangent, it seems like stocks in music biopics and films with pop-music-centred narratives have skyrocketed (A Star is Born, Yesterday). I thought that by the end of the last decade, Dewey Cox had had the final say in highlighting the stupidity of many music films and was a pretty perfect spoof.

But now it seems like music/film nerds and critics are actually taking these films seriously again. I haven't seen any of the recent ones so I can't comment on their quality or whether the tired tropes usually contained within them remain the same, but the trailers seem just as woeful as anything released in earlier years. What's behind them gaining more respectability? Are these movies actually good? Are they adding something of value and truth to the story of these artists' careers? Or are people desperate for comfort food in an otherwise remarkably depressing era?

Like, if that Runaways biopic with Kirsten Stewart and Dakota Fanning was announced in 2019, the internet would melt down. No one gave a shit in 2010.

Yeah Nirvana have gone up for sure. At least, some of my high school students are very into them. Feel they are like Stones level at this point

NIN/Reznor has to have gone up a bit given his soundtrack work combined with the very recent Black Mirror and Lil Nas X

But now it seems like music/film nerds and critics are actually taking these films seriously again

no.

the general public is flocking to them, but most critics/music nerds/film nerds aren't embracing them. (academy awards excepted, but then again they don't fit in with either of those three categories)