when the levy breaks: summer transfer window 2019

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is trippier even gonna start this season? i've somehow ended up with him in our draft we've got going

nxd, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 10:02 (four years ago) link

There have been rumours for months he's going to Napoli. The lure of playing alongside Vlad Chiriches must be strong.

ShariVari, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 10:29 (four years ago) link

thats a rumour that time and repetition have made no less bizarre

hes our best rb, if we need two new rbs (we do) then ive not seen solid links to them yet

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 11:38 (four years ago) link

because historically this is how your owner thinks

Wes Wood (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 11:39 (four years ago) link

ive not seen that lately tbh.

getting rid of trippier for 30m is good half-business

maybe poch thinks its kwps turn to become ok, maybe trippier was just that wrecked from wc

surely aurier is first out the door after fuckery on-off pitch and wages

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 11:41 (four years ago) link

Toby to Roma with Zaniolo coming the other way?

groovypanda, Friday, 12 July 2019 11:59 (four years ago) link

been touted for a week now, but:

- swap deals never happen

- why would he go there

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Friday, 12 July 2019 12:44 (four years ago) link

yeah Rome is awful compared to North London

Tim, Friday, 12 July 2019 12:47 (four years ago) link

we can only presume his last chance at a big contract decision will rest upon the quality of piazza available yes

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Friday, 12 July 2019 12:49 (four years ago) link

I'm just saying it's imaginable that someone might choose to do a thing for reasons other than the bottom line, dude.

Tim, Friday, 12 July 2019 12:53 (four years ago) link

villa after trezeguet too

never heard of the team he plays for

nxd, Friday, 12 July 2019 13:18 (four years ago) link

xp not to be testy tim but yr response practically sighed and blew its hair out of its eyes tbh- the question wasnt thrown out there as a parochial slur on anywhere

'there' is roma the club, we can obv build in the quality of life factors (weather aside, are they so different for an athlete multimillionaire celebrity between london and rome? who knows?).

is roma the club a step up? id have said not, history and all that say its level at present.

is the salary on offer (after tax and all whatnot) at roma now (inc years offered) going to beat any spurs offer (likely, likely) as well as any other offer coming in (id really have thought not)

and then the old "am i in the right place now, is the risk of a move a factor"

theres a ton of places id have thought were obvious better options on a range of relevant items....idk do spurs fans overrate him or what but id have him walking into pretty much any first xi in the world, and 30 isnt any age for a centre back without any real history of injuries.

its a curious one, is all. maybe hes decided already to run down the last year?

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Friday, 12 July 2019 13:21 (four years ago) link

All of which does beg the question: why on earth are Spurs considering letting him go?

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Friday, 12 July 2019 13:30 (four years ago) link

It's not long before the £25m release clause in Toby's contract expires. Given his age and the fact he has one more year on his contract it's unlikely that, great as he is, he'll be worth much more than that. So I guess Levy is desperate to offload him.

The alternative is he signs a new contract, which I personally would love, but that's the likely end of any major resale value.

Matt DC, Friday, 12 July 2019 13:35 (four years ago) link

Vertonghen has been the better CB over the last couple of seasons but Toby's playmaking abilities and long passing ability from CB are a really underappreciated aspect of the way the team plays. There aren't many CBs who can do that.

Matt DC, Friday, 12 July 2019 13:37 (four years ago) link

He's technically good enough, not to mention smart enough to have at least 4 more years in him (arbitrary figure, probably) - that's the value, innit? Strikes me there aren't many of Toby's quality around so unless he's agitating for a move, you do everything you can to keep him?

Or what Matt said.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Friday, 12 July 2019 13:39 (four years ago) link

yeah pref to resign him on decent money, imagine that the length of contract is the major prob.

pref after that is another year out of him at current salary. 25m isnt that much to forego for the calibre of player in it, and if nothing else it reinforces levys hardman ego

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Friday, 12 July 2019 14:05 (four years ago) link

xxp I'm feeling untestily Fridayish, even in the face of unwarranted and hurtful hair jibes directed at one of ILx's baldest men.

'there' can be Roma the club if you like but 'there' is also unavoidably Roma the city, and Italy the country, right? Also Italy the footballing culture. I understand the requirement for close reading of your communiques but insisting on only one of these 'there's as a subject for your speculation is a bit bleedin' rich I'd say.

There are only a few reasons why a football club would want to retain the services of a player but there are loads of reasons why an individual might want to make a move, even a sideways move. I mean, we can play a game of imagining personal motivations if you like?

Tim, Friday, 12 July 2019 14:07 (four years ago) link

ill put my scantily clad pate up against any non-finn here tbh

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Friday, 12 July 2019 14:10 (four years ago) link

Promises, promises.

Tim, Friday, 12 July 2019 14:11 (four years ago) link

I'll out-bald you pretenders all day, any day.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Friday, 12 July 2019 14:15 (four years ago) link

Wondering if the 'sideways' comment is acceptable to Tottenham ILXspurs fans.

Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Friday, 12 July 2019 14:16 (four years ago) link

anyway, if i ought to clarify that the *why there* carried the unspoken *instead of * of ~all of the supposed options~ and not just stayin at spurs then im happy to do so.

like imagining personal motivations is p much baked in to what we are discussing but its very hard to not imagine madrid, barca, juve and a host of others not offering a better overall package from cafes to dusky evening sunlight year-round but being an obviously more appealing destination career wise.

utd or city for cash while stayin in england if for family reasons or whatever thats a concern

ajax for sentiment

i stand by the confusion over roma being:

- especially appealing to him as an option

but more, i suppose

- being the best offer he has, that we know of

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Friday, 12 July 2019 14:16 (four years ago) link

Wondering if the 'sideways' comment is acceptable to Tottenham ILXspurs fans.

― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Friday, 12 July 2019 14:16 (twenty-eight seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

i for one am enjoying even the opportunity for such magnanimity tbh, its lovely up here

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Friday, 12 July 2019 14:18 (four years ago) link

My "sideways" was a ref to deems's "history and all that say its level at present" fwiw. I try not to get into "which club's bigger" anymore because I can't make sense of the arguments involved; was happy to rely on the opinion of a hairy expert.

Tim, Friday, 12 July 2019 14:19 (four years ago) link

* trying desperately not to make a comment about Exeter City *

Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Friday, 12 July 2019 14:21 (four years ago) link

anyways spending even five mins imagining such a dilemma has put me in right good form tbh

now pondering a transfer-column style breathless reporting of rumours linking me with a move to the office of public works

"he likes their style of operating, but the location on the southside could be an issue for him, we hear"

"the salary package is fine, but the departments are wrangling over the final details and hes asked for a window desk which will upset a number of long-serving incumbents"

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Friday, 12 July 2019 14:22 (four years ago) link

two bald men fighting over a rome at this stage

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Friday, 12 July 2019 14:23 (four years ago) link

"there was a fall-out in the weekly team meeting in which two cups of coffee were spilled"

Tim, Friday, 12 July 2019 14:24 (four years ago) link

xp haha

Tim, Friday, 12 July 2019 14:24 (four years ago) link

griezemann to barca is done?

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Friday, 12 July 2019 14:34 (four years ago) link

Apparently, which makes Neymar seem far more unlikely to me but fuck it, small club mentality

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Number None, Friday, 12 July 2019 16:03 (four years ago) link

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— Transferchanger (@TransferChanger) July 16, 2019

Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 13:43 (four years ago) link

Sensible to pick a manager with strong experience of being hated by his own supporters and, on occasion, players.

ShariVari, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 14:02 (four years ago) link

So is Steve Bruce standing outside St James's Park with a suitcase having told his wife he's leaving her?

Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 14:13 (four years ago) link

shes turned the toons agin me

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 14:20 (four years ago) link

Trippier to Atletico Madrid looks like a done deal as well.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 14:47 (four years ago) link

yes saw that

you see it being backfilled by aurier/kwp/~~foyth~~ or dyou think theyd like a good right back

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 15:03 (four years ago) link

My understanding is that Aurier is up for sale as well. I like KWP but it still feels too early for him, Foyth should be nowhere near the team.

So yeah I'm guessing we're buying one. RB and central midfield were our main problem positions last year.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:31 (four years ago) link

of the two id have trippier ahead of aurier certainly, even before wages

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 16:38 (four years ago) link

Weird one, Trippier doesn't seem near the level ATM aspire. Who'll be his replacement?

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 18:33 (four years ago) link

depends on whether you think last season was purely post-russia groin strain induced

i mean what even is a good full back now? theyre all shit afaict.

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 18:59 (four years ago) link

Fair point. Trippier's not better than Arias though, so not sure why they'd go for Trip.

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 19:03 (four years ago) link

I feel like it's easy to assume that under performance in the Prem won't define your ability in other top flight Euro leagues

jou're much too jung, girl (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 19:09 (four years ago) link

Given that "under" is a question of perception in any context, D

jou're much too jung, girl (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 19:11 (four years ago) link

also think that full back is a position pochs tactic asks so much of that the difference between "walker is now worth 55m"(when 55m was a lot) and "how can this fool who started the cl final possibly move to a big club" is really marginal.

its a horribly exposed position with huge asks in both attack and defence and if you make a slip our centres and goalie havent been great at covering, but facts is that trippier has had a year of slips and as a result his stock is probably undeservedly low.

still kinda impressed at the move. fair play to him.

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 19:15 (four years ago) link

tbf every manager on earth's tactics ask so much of a full back. it's a brutal position and you can't do it right really.

and of course, fair play to him.

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 19:31 (four years ago) link

Rooon locked in a helpless reverie right now

jou're much too jung, girl (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 20:25 (four years ago) link


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