Which artists legacies have improved/worsened during the 2010s?

Hardstyle

If i was in my 20s and bored I would totally do a tracking index of musicians' cultural/artistic share price.

Upwards: Nardwuar

bring back popex

If i was in my 20s and bored I would totally do a tracking index of musicians' cultural/artistic share price.

Wasn't there something like this on the BBC website circa 2003? I think I remember shorting Fatboy Slim.

Oh, some googling says it was just relaunched

http://landing.celebdaq.co.uk/

I'd nominate Suede as a case of an artist's legacy improving. After the disaster of the New Morning era and the collective shrug that greeted their 2003 Greatest Hits their reputation wasn't exactly great. I saw them at Glastonbury that year and it was actually quite depressing seeing how little everyone cared (the band and the audience). Then throw in Brett's underwhelming solo career towards the end of the 2000s as well.

The turnaround began with the well received reunion shows and has continued with three albums that have sold well and been decent critics successes. They've had to work hard to get their reputation back on track and surprisingly seemed to have kept the momentum going. Where they are now is so much better than 10 years ago.

Suede definitely up, Manic Street Preachers unbelievably somehow down on even 10 years ago.

Gaz Coombes, up obviously.

Hitler, up obviously.

I would now say I much prefer Suede to Blur, which would have been completely unthinkable ten years ago

Also surprisingly up, Craig David (not to mention UK garage in general).

some bobos can't be unhonked

― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, July 9, 2019 2:12 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

lmao

oh I guess Green Day's rep has taken a bit of a tumble, I remember the mid-00's where they were spoken of like they were the next Kinks, or the one California punk band that actually ascended into something else and potentially saved rock n' roll, blah blah blah.

Cool thread.

Up: Queen (biggest rise,classic rock edition) Electric Light Orchestra, J Giles Band

Down: U2, Parliament-Funkadelic (inexplicable yet true) Eric Clapton

Biggest down: electric guitar

down: the blues, though i guess that's been happening for a while

Uh, J. Geils Band?

Unless Johnny Giles has been moonlighting as a blues singer.

ELO is a good one. They're averaging about 10 million Spotify listeners a month, way more than a lot of their contemporaries.

Kanye West and Radiohead stock is a bit like investing on Apple. No matter what controversies or new trends happen, they haven’t lost value in public perception as “groundbreaking” and/or “cool”.

Down: Crescendo Based Post-Rock

Up: Nile Rodgers

Queen, definitely. You can't underestimate the popularity of that movie (which I still haven't watched). My 11 year old niece told me that she's learning to play Queen songs on the piano a few days ago.

Queen are like some weird keystone in British culture now, but they (and their manager) have pursued that line pretty much since not long after Freddie died.

In terms of keeping the band's name alive in every media that was viable, they've managed to basically shill for themselves in every potential direction and, very astutely, at the generations following the people that were into Queen the first time around.

I did go and see them once with Paul Rodgers singing (it was a freebie) and I blubbed like a big fucking girl when Brian May came out and sung Love Of My Life on an acoustic guitar.

Grammy award winning artist, shirtless wonder Matt Pike of High on Fire and Sleep.

Yeah it happened...Pike's kinda picked up the torch now from Lemmy in a stylistic way.

somebody said it up thread but I feel like Tom Waits I see people busting on a lot now and he was such a darling for decades

i blame tom scharpling for that tbh

stock down: turn of the decade indie, freak-folk, arcade fire, college rock

― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili)

big blood will always have a special place in my heart

up: tori amos, but not as much as she deserves

↓ canadian indie rockers
↑ canadian pop stars

i blame tom scharpling for that tbh

Ha! He is very vivid in his hatred.

Regarding the electric guitar, I guess the stock of the overdrive guitar has fallen (even though the likes of Ghost and Avenged Sevenfold have managed to revive the hair metal genre somewhat). However, the chorus guitar is at its coolest since the 80s. (Agsin: Mac DeMarco)

down: songs about molly
up: songs about xannies

yeah Queen, which I have never liked at all, seems so big now.
Also Elton John : a friend told me he's his 7yo kid's favourite singer(and I suppose at this age, they are influenced by other kids at school etc).
Not surprisingly, his kid also likes Queen...
I blame THESE movies !

That said I guess E. John wasn't particularly down in the 00s.

Billy Ray Cyrus?

The problem with this thread is that pop culture moves so much slower than it used to and ten years is just not a very long time music-wise anymore.

yeah, I've often thought about that and I suppose it's been discussed at length somewhere on ILX but it's one thing I can't really explain.
Like I remember when Suede's first album reached its 20y anniversary release and thinking it had been as long as say when Sgt Pepper got its CD 20y anniversary in the 80s.
Yet it didn't feel that long ago to me regarding Suede whereas between 67 and 87 it seemed like totally different eras.
It might be totally subjective, though and the musical landscape IS totally different now so I don't know...

Also pop/rnb hits now don't seem vastly different from 10 or even 20y ago whereas pop hits in like the 90s had nothing to do with those in the 70s, for instance.

While it would seem more likely that pop culture now would move FASTER than previously with all the media, IT, trends, etc.

00s music is in the uncanny valley of pre-revival but no longer current so will fall by default

there is something heartening about the enduring rep of the wu tang clan

there is something heartening about the enduring rep of the wu tang clan

Indeed!

Then there's the whole scene of vaporwave spinoffs who are all more or less indebted to Japanese electronica.

the first time I heard Ongaku Zukan my thought was "it's like Weather Channel music, but I really like it", which is pretty much vaporwave in a nutshell. I'm surprised that album hasn't retroactively blown up.

― frogbs, Tuesday, July 9, 2019 8:27 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Yes! Same with Casiopea's 'Mint Jams', which sounds like it was recorded tomorrow (but in fact is from '82 o_O). You could fool anyone passing it off as a smooth jazz/vaporwave milestone.

Elton John is a good one, there was a Twitter post not long after 'Rocketman' came out saying, can you imagine back in the 80s hating Morrissey for being a bigot and Elton John being the cool one.

I get the feeling Billy Joel is more respected now than he was back in the 90s/00s. Conversely despite going down the Rick Rubin stripped back route, Neil Diamond seems more of a footnote as a performer, with only his 60s singles being remembered.

turns out wu tang really was for the children.

Down: Most 60s music - the Beatles, even the Beach Boys.. No one talks about them any more.

It's been ages since I heard anyone talk about Troutmaskreplica in any significant way

Does anyone still talk about Love?

as long as the Zombies and Byrds end up atop the pile I'm cool

Up - Trance music

Does anyone still talk about Love?

― pomenitul, Wednesday, July 10, 2019 12:32 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Don't know if anyone *talks* about them, but Alone Again Or was used in Netflix's Russian Doll series.

I think it's 'cooler' to mention Love these days than any of those other bands. I guess people burn out on hype for certain acts and peak Beach Boys worship seemed to come during that Animal Collective / Magic Numbers era of the mid-2000s.

wish people would talk more about the Beatles

That said, there's still probably lots of love for the more experimental psychedelic acts like Silver Apples or White Noise

I think there were lots of talks about the Beatles with the releases of the remixed Pepper and White albums, weren't there ?

Sebastien Tellier was quite big (relatively speaking) by the end of the 00s.
He's mostly disappeared now (even in France).