Which artists legacies have improved/worsened during the 2010s?

ha totally forgot about the album with beyonce... point proven i guess lol

i think this thread is more about cultural cache than commercial appeal/success.

― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Tuesday, July 9, 2019 11:45 AM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

oh i was going off the thread title more. i guess man of the woods was lukewarm reviews but the 20/20 releases were pretty favorable iirc. idk i dont think his stock has dropped all that much.

Timberlake's washed up/a has-been, right?

dubstep!

2009 still just about cool
2013 in the heart of the 'brostep' wars
2019 background music on the worst youtube vids

I’m scanning the Pazz and Jop singles winners from 2009. Kanye West, perhaps? Any of the American Idol winners? Lady Gaga? I don’t know, I could see any of those acts having a hit single nowadays.

The problem with this thread is that pop culture moves so much slower than it used to and ten years is just not a very long time music-wise anymore.

Cee-Lo is a good call

The Black Eyed Peas/William

The Flaming Lips

bruce springsteen seemed to have been having a moment about ten years ago. his earnestness and his stripped down stuff like the river or nebraska were a touchstone for a certain strain of indie rock. he's not fallen off hugely from a critical perspective maybe, admittedly. feel like his tunnel of love because the album i would hear songs from more often around, because it's synthy and sexy and 80s and that's more au courant?

there was a lot of brian wilson love in the early and mid 00s. don't feel like i hear too much about him these days (you know, other than that film that came out a couple years ago i guess lol)

Justin Timberlake scored what is probably his biggest hit only three years ago with Can't Stop The Feeling. Clearly his career isn't where it was in 2002 but he's no Robbie Williams or Nelly.

(Nelly or Nelly Furtado)

haven't really heard anyone talk about Aerosmith much lately, despite the bizarre long-winded revival they had

Kanye stock has collapsed but he's still seen as a thing and his new releases will still gather huge attention.

Terius Nash on the other hand has had a really precipitous fall, from can-do-no-wrong in 2008-10 to feeling like a relic of completely different era.

The problem with this thread is that pop culture moves so much slower than it used to and ten years is just not a very long time music-wise anymore.

I feel like Trump and #MeToo represented a watershed in the decade and anyone whose subject matter feels on the wrong side of that divide is kinda stuck there.

the Beach Boys had their moment with that Smile set a few years ago but i think that was kind of a blip, not sure they're really at that level now. Brian Wilson's subsequent work seems to have been mildly received, not critically but culturally.

haven't really heard anyone talk about Aerosmith much lately, despite the bizarre long-winded revival they had

― frogbs, Tuesday, July 9, 2019 12:11 PM (fifty-seven seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

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Kanye stock has collapsed but he's still seen as a thing and his new releases will still gather huge attention.

feel like the NYT writes at least a dozen articles per year on him, still

I thought everybody loved Kids See Ghosts and Pusha-T?

If you think Kanye stock has collapsed you're not exactly following what the kidz are up to

Iggy Azalea however...

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I laffed through a mouthful of salad at this!

Up: Bikini Kill, The Prodigy, Tribe Called Quest, Hole, Aphex Twin, early grime, breakbeat, Sade, Joni Mitchell, women who make quiet music in general, Pearl Jam very slightly maybe?

Down: Jack White, Wilco, Sigur Ros, Animal Collective, Kanye, Basement Jaxx, all the obvious abusers

Barely changed at all: Nirvana, Wu-Tang Clan, detroit techno, early Daft Punk

If you think Kanye stock has collapsed you're not exactly following what the kidz are up to

Honestly I think he's been superseded by an entire generation now.

bruce springsteen seemed to have been having a moment about ten years ago. his earnestness and his stripped down stuff like the river or nebraska were a touchstone for a certain strain of indie rock. he's not fallen off hugely from a critical perspective maybe, admittedly. feel like his tunnel of love because the album i would hear songs from more often around, because it's synthy and sexy and 80s and that's more au courant?

there was a lot of brian wilson love in the early and mid 00s. don't feel like i hear too much about him these days (you know, other than that film that came out a couple years ago i guess lol)

― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, July 9, 2019 7:08 PM (fifteen minutes ago)

Bruce's stock has definitely risen. It felt like you were at height of sleeveless denim jacket naffness to admit you were into Bruce in the 90s and the early 00's

Dont hear the Beach Boys being mentioned these days for the most part.

the Beach Boys had their moment with that Smile set a few years ago but i think that was kind of a blip, not sure they're really at that level now.

the 50th anniversary reunion album & tour with Mike & Bruce +2 joining Brian's band under the Beach Boys name was a bigger moment, but also the perfect capper for the BB culture wars. The legacy is settled, they'll never do anything new again, no need to care or fight. (Also Mike's Beach Boys band is p good and play loads of the arty stuff alongside the hits when they're doing theatres, not state fairs; plus Brian's right-hand-man quit and joined the Beach Boys.)

Seems like more general Alt-Country, or at least Rock-skewing Alt-Country, isn't as big of a deal now. Big Americana artists these days are drawing more from Folk and Soul.

definitely not, but i feel like that decline started with the last decade, not this one.

90s Eurodance? I mean, with the EDM thing going on which is basically Eurodance 2.0

I guess neither is exactly critics darling music though.

https://gawker.com/180780/the-new-spin-dont-you-know-things-can-change-things-can-go-your-way-or-not

Wanted to say EDM as there have been a load of great records, but have seen zero critical appreciation of them, and now the genre is basically done. But guess there may be a revive and some critical appreciation sometime around 2030.

Also up: Fiona Apple (massively), Alanis Morrisette (controversially), KD Lang, Belly, Buffalo Tom, Slowdive

Down: Lil Wayne (from a fairly high base)

Also EDM as in "country/pop singer dropping inspirational lyrics over a huge anthemic build/drop" EDM is very far from fast bouncy 90s Eurodance?

The Pixies will rebound but they've definitely reunioned themselves down a few levels. Ditto Smashing Pumpkins who are a weird one anyway.

EDM producers are probably taken a tiny bit more seriously within dance music than they once were but it's not exactly credible or fashionable come on. D&B is probably on the up again though.

People have been claiming that a drum & bass revival is around the corner for fifteen years now, can't see it happening.

Up: Grime has been on a big upswing after the initial early '00s hype and subsequent decline

Down: The L.A. beat scene got subsumed by Soulection and 'chill beats to study to', Low End Theory ended, the style feels codified and a little quaint, FlyLo lost some mystique (via douchey tweets), etc

Hardstyle

If i was in my 20s and bored I would totally do a tracking index of musicians' cultural/artistic share price.

Upwards: Nardwuar

bring back popex

If i was in my 20s and bored I would totally do a tracking index of musicians' cultural/artistic share price.

Wasn't there something like this on the BBC website circa 2003? I think I remember shorting Fatboy Slim.

Oh, some googling says it was just relaunched

http://landing.celebdaq.co.uk/

I'd nominate Suede as a case of an artist's legacy improving. After the disaster of the New Morning era and the collective shrug that greeted their 2003 Greatest Hits their reputation wasn't exactly great. I saw them at Glastonbury that year and it was actually quite depressing seeing how little everyone cared (the band and the audience). Then throw in Brett's underwhelming solo career towards the end of the 2000s as well.

The turnaround began with the well received reunion shows and has continued with three albums that have sold well and been decent critics successes. They've had to work hard to get their reputation back on track and surprisingly seemed to have kept the momentum going. Where they are now is so much better than 10 years ago.

Suede definitely up, Manic Street Preachers unbelievably somehow down on even 10 years ago.

Gaz Coombes, up obviously.

Hitler, up obviously.

I would now say I much prefer Suede to Blur, which would have been completely unthinkable ten years ago

Also surprisingly up, Craig David (not to mention UK garage in general).

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― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, July 9, 2019 2:12 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

lmao

oh I guess Green Day's rep has taken a bit of a tumble, I remember the mid-00's where they were spoken of like they were the next Kinks, or the one California punk band that actually ascended into something else and potentially saved rock n' roll, blah blah blah.

Cool thread.

Up: Queen (biggest rise,classic rock edition) Electric Light Orchestra, J Giles Band

Down: U2, Parliament-Funkadelic (inexplicable yet true) Eric Clapton

Biggest down: electric guitar

down: the blues, though i guess that's been happening for a while

Uh, J. Geils Band?

Unless Johnny Giles has been moonlighting as a blues singer.

ELO is a good one. They're averaging about 10 million Spotify listeners a month, way more than a lot of their contemporaries.