Which artists legacies have improved/worsened during the 2010s?

Jean-Michel Jarre seems to be widely accepted as an electronic music pioneer these days, which was uh not exactly his reputation in the 00's

Nice thread idea btw !

strokes' last album sold less than 100k in the U.S. vs their first clearing one million

Black Dice/Wolf Eyes/Lightning Bolt etc seem a lot more off the radar now

strokes' last album sold less than 100k in the U.S. vs their first clearing one million

― omar little, Tuesday, July 9, 2019 12:52 PM (thirty-five seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

stock down: album sales in general

Black Dice/Wolf Eyes/Lightning Bolt etc seem a lot more off the radar now

― Master of Treacle, Tuesday, July 9, 2019 10:53 AM (three minutes ago)

wolf eyes are primarily known for john olson's insta meme account

Similarly to J-MJ, Vangelis is a stone-cold producer's hero these days (although only for Blade Runner). I remember him being considered kinda cheesy/New Age, with Blade Runner as an exception.

The strokes were already nobodys by 2009, weren’t they ?

the strokes stopped being the cool indie band from nyc and evolved into just being a major label rock band that people know.

Who has forgotten the Yeah Yeah Yeahs? xpost Karen O (I know it's not Y3) just had that amazing performance on Colbert recently.
Pomplamoose may have gotten some cred from the dude starting Patreon.

Improvement - Rush (which was maybe bubbling under throughout the 00s but seems to have solidified after the films and their turning 60 etc)

most turgid bk bush era indie - ac, dp, gb, yea fucking sayer deservedly forgotten

But maybe that’s just because they’re at the nadir of the 20 year cycle

thought galcher lustwerk would inaugurate a hip house moment but maybe he’s too sui generis

the time to buy hard techno and gabber stock might be now

i think an overarching theme in all of these stock changes--punk rock and the punk ethos no longer determines coolness or quality in music/indie culture

as far as i can tell, MJ's popularity hasn't been affected at all. once the conversation about that documentary died down, ppl just went on playing his records as if nothing had happened. the 10th anniversary of his death was trending on twitter last month and it was basically all posts celebrating him.

i think MJ's legacy is far worse without a doubt

It seems that more people know that YMO are really neat and not some inscrutable Japanese band, that the band have three distinct personalities with amazing back catalogues of their own (Sakamoto more salient than the others obv) and super deep roots into all kinds of great Japanese music.

Hosono becoming a hip name really surprised me, especially considering it's on the back of two albums he doesn't even remember making (the Muji in-store BGM cassette and Pacific, which he only did 3 tracks for)

but I guess it goes hand in hand with the City Pop revival, if you start poking around you'll see his name on like half of those records

Totally agree with J.D. I don’t think anybody who loved his songs will stop loving them. If anything I think with time, the scandalous aspects will fade and he’ll be even more a mythical figure.

I was going to say that as well: Japanese electronic music (YMO, Hosono et al) seems way more on the rise. I myself might be a proponent, a helpless follower of fashion if you will, in this regard. The sheer amount of stuff getting reissued on quality labels like LITA and others is enormous. Then there's the whole scene of vaporwave spinoffs who are all more or less indebted to Japanese electronica.

xxp

biggest drop? Cee-Lo

Idk, it seemed like there was initial reticence about not playing MJ, but I've noticed a definite downturn in MJ at weddings, and I've been on gigs where we've erred on the side of not playing any.

especially considering it's on the back of two albums he doesn't even remember making

Hosono not remembering what he did might not be the best indicator for, well, anything ;) (bless his soul)

J. Timberlake was still a pop superstar by 2009. Now he’s a joke.

Pomplamoose just did an "Old Town Road"/"Pony" mash-up

My day is ruined.

I think R.E.M.s standing was in decline for most of decade but feel it has picked up with acts like Real Estate and Rolling Blackouts CF owing them a debt stylistically.

Jean Michel Jarre feels like someone who’s name checked as a touchstone in electronic music maybe never going to have the cred of Kraftwerk but he’s not just the guy with the dazzling light show.

those Electronica albums seemed to rehab his image a lot, even though they weren't particularly well-reviewed the fact that the guestlist was a who's-who of electronic music seemed to remind a lot of people how influential he was. also helps that his work over the last 5 years has been pretty strong, especially compared to some of the junk he was doing last decade

As a lover of both electronic music and corny shit, I just spun Oxygene recently and man is that some corny shit.

glad you enjoyed it :)

Then there's the whole scene of vaporwave spinoffs who are all more or less indebted to Japanese electronica.

the first time I heard Ongaku Zukan my thought was "it's like Weather Channel music, but I really like it", which is pretty much vaporwave in a nutshell. I'm surprised that album hasn't retroactively blown up.

I'd also estimate that the growing cult around Alice Coltrane is sending her stock way up, perhaps to unsustainable levels.

Jay-Z's stock appears to have gone down in recent years.

Not his market stock though !#firsthiphopbillionaire

he made shitty albums in the last 10 years and current hip-hop doesn't really sound indebted to him at all

Nick Cave's stock has risen again

Cave's sole major stock dip was Nocturama in 2003 (imo Boatmans/No More are stultifyingly blah but they were rapturously acclaimed at the time), wiped away with two 'blazing return to form' albums - Abattoir Blues and Lyre of Orpheus - the very next year. (Or at least 'one of these is great,' depending on the listener.) From there the '00s just kept critical hits / unusually high-selling soundtracks / oh THIS novel's better than his previous pastiche etc. coming year after year: The Proposition, Grinderman, Dig Lazarus Dig, The Assassination Of Jesse James, Death Of Bunny Munro. Sell-out Bad Seeds tour, sell-out Nick Cave Solo quartet tour, sell-out Grinderman tour, curating All Tomorrows Parties, sell-out Bad Seeds As Rock Hits Band tour driving Mick away, sell-out Grinderman tour again, rinse & repeat. ARIA Hall Of Fame award, Venice screenwriting award, honorary degrees.

If anything the collapse in album sales (especially with the shift to scoring) and splintering of the band dropped him a little in the '10s compared to the 2004-2009 run.

Jay-Z's stock appears to have gone down in recent years.

― pomenitul, Tuesday, July 9, 2019 1:30 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

he made shitty albums in the last 10 years and current hip-hop doesn't really sound indebted to him at all

― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, July 9, 2019 1:31 PM (fifty-one seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

Dark knight feeling, die and be a hero
Or live long enough to see yourself become a villain

Re: Hova he’s basically retired as a rapper, isn’t he ? I’m not sure he cares the slightest about the scene anymore !

wtf he just released an album like two years ago that was pretty universally loved. i think his stock has risen.

his stock has certainly risen since magna carta holy grail, but overall since 2009, idk

J. Timberlake was still a pop superstar by 2009. Now he’s a joke.

― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, July 9, 2019 11:15 AM (seventeen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

is he? he still packs arenas (mostly full of late millennial moms)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_of_the_Woods_Tour

i think this thread is more about cultural cache than commercial appeal/success.

Aw really ? Maybe he’s still big in the US, yeah.

wtf he just released an album like two years ago that was pretty universally loved. i think his stock has risen.

and one last year that was universally loved by all 12 ppl with Tidal

(overall I don't think anyone cares about any post-"retirement" albums except Watch The Throne, but rap listeners aren't who's valuing his stock)

ha totally forgot about the album with beyonce... point proven i guess lol

i think this thread is more about cultural cache than commercial appeal/success.

― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Tuesday, July 9, 2019 11:45 AM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

oh i was going off the thread title more. i guess man of the woods was lukewarm reviews but the 20/20 releases were pretty favorable iirc. idk i dont think his stock has dropped all that much.

Timberlake's washed up/a has-been, right?

dubstep!

2009 still just about cool
2013 in the heart of the 'brostep' wars
2019 background music on the worst youtube vids

I’m scanning the Pazz and Jop singles winners from 2009. Kanye West, perhaps? Any of the American Idol winners? Lady Gaga? I don’t know, I could see any of those acts having a hit single nowadays.

The problem with this thread is that pop culture moves so much slower than it used to and ten years is just not a very long time music-wise anymore.

Cee-Lo is a good call

The Black Eyed Peas/William

The Flaming Lips