MLBPA Exec Dir Tony Clark: "We are interested in restoring meaningful free agency." Union is beginning an unprecedented round of mid-term bargaining with the league. Uncertainty as to where those talks go.— Eric Fisher (@EricFisherSBG) July 9, 2019
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:58 (seven months ago) link
Tony Clark, President of MLBPA, told reporters that eliminating the MLB Draft is on the table in CBA negotiations.— Josh Nelson (@soxmachine_josh) July 9, 2019
i guess tony's opening position will be asking for the moon
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 17:14 (seven months ago) link
Stephanie Apstein in SI:
“I think we have unknowingly conceded a lot,” said Rays righty Charlie Morton. “Maybe not unknowingly. Maybe that’s the wrong word. You can read the CBA. You can know what’s in there. When you hear it, it sounds nice. And then three years later, you’re like, What did we just do? And now everybody’s pretty upset.”
This is not a fair fight. Players association head Tony Clark oversees 750 constituents who are aggrieved and cannot agree on why. Commissioner Rob Manfred is responsible for 30 ownership groups whose interests are simple and largely aligned: Make and keep as much money as possible.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 11 July 2019 20:48 (seven months ago) link
oh, you want to eliminate the draft? how about instead we double it
― mookieproof, Thursday, 25 July 2019 20:25 (six months ago) link
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 15:50 (four months ago) link
still near the beginning of the article but it's quickly losing me with stuff like
"Now players are typically paid based on anticipated performance. By analyzing so-called age curves, which supposedly show that a player’s productivity generally declines after he reaches his early 30s, owners and general managers have adopted a kind of reverse seniority: The older you are, the less valuable you are."
― It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 17:00 (four months ago) link
https://www.sfchronicle.com/giants/article/Giants-prospect-posts-paystub-on-Twitter-to-shine-14499561.php#photo-18395431the "SAP act" - too on the nose?
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 9 October 2019 07:04 (four months ago) link
The context is wrong in the section you quoted:
Traditionally they were paid based on past performance. If a player did well during the previous two or three years, he could expect a significant increase in salary that reflected his contribution.
Now players are typically paid based on anticipated performance...
This is undoubtedly true.
I thought the article had a good overview of the problem, but had nothing good to say about how to get out of this mess.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 07:31 (four months ago) link
it's definitely true that they're paid on anticipated performance. i bolded the "supposedly" in "age curves, which supposedly show that a player’s productivity generally declines after he reaches his early 30s" because it implies that maybe age curves aren't a real thing, when...they definitely are.
(i also thought the example of gerardo parra as a player unjustly affected by modern management was a poor one - he sucks! of course no one gave him a contract last off-season, and the teams that ended up signing him this year regret it. dallas keuchel, mentioned the paragraph iirc, was a much better example.)
but all of that doesn't really take away from the general thrust of the article, which is good and informative, especially for a non-baseball-reading audience like the nation. whether aging curves are "real" or not (they are), they are part of the equation that ownership now uses to evaluate players and offer contracts. the current situation is untenable for anyone other than ownership - younger players get screwed (especially in the minor leagues), and then just as they gain the power to negotiate contracts with other teams, they're seen as inferior options compared to cheaper, younger (and often better) talent
― It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 9 October 2019 15:01 (four months ago) link
silly question: if MLBPA goes on strike, does minor league play continue?
― It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 9 October 2019 15:02 (four months ago) link
unclear, but a lot of triple-a guys with a cup of coffee are in the union
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 15:10 (four months ago) link
Manfred said there is “not going to be a deal where we pay you in economics to get labor peace" and "maybe Marvin Miller’s financial system doesn’t work anymore.”Gear up, folks. A big labor fight is brewing. https://t.co/gHIQ0hJoOn— Craig Calcaterra (@craigcalcaterra) November 20, 2019
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 21:31 (two months ago) link
how do i shot getting paid in economics
― Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 21:48 (two months ago) link
love to hit $10b in revenue then vivisect the golden goose to save a few nickels
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 22:21 (two months ago) link
Trumpism comes (BACK) to MLB
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 23:48 (two months ago) link
Gerrit Cole thanked Marvin Miller for his contributions to baseball, along with Curt Flood. Cole is a big players' association guy, joining a few other vocal players in that clubhouse.— Lindsey Adler (@lindseyadler) December 18, 2019
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 18 December 2019 16:27 (two months ago) link
Gerrit Cole thanked Marvin Miller and Curt Flood in his press conference. How does he know so much about baseball labor history? Apparently Pirates catcher John Buck used to drag rookies to the front of the bus and ask them about it: “Get your f——— book reports ready, kids.”— Stephanie Apstein (@stephapstein) December 18, 2019
― Andy K, Thursday, 19 December 2019 01:59 (one month ago) link