Morrissey is a racist

the only nazi to ever sample schoolly d

yeah lol @ Siouxsie and Ian Curtis inclusion

I don't know who three of those artists are. I am not a Goth.

if the diagram were purely a quilt of unproblematic goths* then the exclusion of morrissey would have no sting: it has to be saying "even these often quite bad ppl are forgiven, but not you buddy, no you"**

*this adjective possibly creates a category error
** also it wd allow him merely to say (like Οὖτις and tom before him) "but i'm no goth!"

(of course he is and so are they, and here we are)

"joy division"

my guess is the 3 you don't recognise are Alien Sex Fiend, 45 Grave & Christian Death

xps

he was in all of them

btw lol @ Christian Death, they can fuck off forever

(I agree with mark's reading of this btw, I just hate Christian Death)

(xxxp) I think you're right.

the 80's were just a more permissible, less PC time. Everyone rocked swastikas. Most people wore blackface. It was legal and expected to murder Jews in the streets. You can't judge a person by the times they live in!

Ironically, Christian Death did end up on the right side of history with their condemnation of the Catholic church, which landed them in very hot waters back in the 80s. Although their fascination with necrophilia still remains beyond the pale I guess.

the only nazi to ever sample schoolly d

kiSS them for me

Unproblematic Goths = great band name

mark s at 10:30 8 Jul 19

if the diagram were purely a quilt of unproblematic goths* then the exclusion of morrissey would have no sting: it has to be saying "even these often quite bad ppl are forgiven, but not you buddy, no you"**

*this adjective possibly creates a category error 
** also it wd allow him merely to say (like Οὖτις and tom before him) "but i'm no goth!"

(of course he is and so are they, and here we are)

.... seen this shared on Facebook a bunch and you are drastically overestimating how this is interpreted by most people and likely the intent as well

you are drastically overestimating how this is interpreted by most people

i can absolutely promise i have spent literally no time contemplating or adjusting for how anything is interpreted by "most people" on facebook and do not plan to start

and likely the intent

ok but all yr saying here is: "assuming the nonsensically dumb reading, in conclusion this is nonsensically dumb"

it's a meme created for Facebook! that's where it circulated, it's like saying it's not worth considering how a tv audience will interpret a tv show

and I don't even think people are dumb, I don't think that many people really know about Curtis's politics or the old Souixsie Nazi stuff

Curtis voted Tory, which is worse than being a play Nazi in 1979

it's not worth considering how a tv audience will interpret a tv show

agree

Curtis voted Tory, which is worse than being a play Nazi in 1979

So did Harold Pinter btw. I suspect a lot of people did who wouldn't admit it later on.

yeah when I see folks on Facebook talking about the Bragg thing most are like, aw, does this mean I have to stop listening to the smiths ? In that context the meme almost implies if you cancel morrissey you don’t have to think about the systemic issues

I don't think that many people really know about Curtis's politics or the old Souixsie Nazi stuff

it's probably true that many people don't know either of these things! and there's certainly no good reason not to continue to point them out whenever there's an opportunity, and now is as good an opportunity as any

but lol these dudes clearly didn't know these facts bcz their meme makes no sense if they did is not a sustainable claim, bcz
(a) it works perfectly well if this knowledge is in fact assumed, and
(b) it actually works somewhat better
(c) i can't actually really see how the joke -- and the spite of the joke -- is intended to land if you assume they didn't know this? it just dissolves into "here's the type of music we actually like! lol the music morrissey is bad and different and we hate him, also he's cancelled". which ok, maybe that is all that's going on! but if so we're back at "assuming the nonsensically dumb reading, in conclusion this is nonsensically dumb"

god lol why am i wasting so much brain on this badly executed barely funny meme?

ans = i am meant to be writing a ticklishly important job application due end tomorrow and so far i haven't really started on it

Morrissey vs. 15 amphetamine-addled freaks: whose side are you on?

relevant: The Ian Curtis memorial thread

ans = i am meant to be writing a ticklishly important job application due end tomorrow and so far i haven't really started on it

― mark s, Tuesday, July 9, 2019 9:42 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol not even joking but...me too!

here's where i got to since that post: Quick answer - job application help.

and solidarity and best of luck! what a world we live in

good luck to you mark :)

i like to think that you're both applying for morrissey's job now that he's been cancelled

Who is the band on bottom centre?

Really need to get around to that second Christian Death album sometime.

I think I read Siouxsie talk about the swastika but not sure. Also heard she fell out with Morrissey over him wanting to use a british bulldog+flag in their music video and she said she loathed the idea, hated the gross patriotism.

45 Grave

Looking good.

What I've read from Siouxie about the swastika/too many Jews for my liking was a really shit copout tbh like why are you guys still going on about that, no actual apology or anything, but maybe I missed it

I cant trust my memory on this but I think she said something along those lines and then followed with "Dido's inoffensiveness offends me".

She definitely said the latter part.

Inexplicable skywriting this morning:

https://i.imgur.com/GsnKX8M_d.jpg

crazy that they can fly backwards like that

I'm going to assume that was actually meant for morrisp and the pilot couldn't spell

"Signed, Morrissey."

plane rong imo

Here’s someone who got a pic in a completely different part of town:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B0qvl60pYct/?igshid=1sbi07t2q2g8m

Turns out tickets for a Morrissey/Interpol show at the Hollywood Bowl went on sale today.

Not enough of a racist to be prevented from headlining festivals in California, apparently:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQhSWKMVUAAXNof?format=jpg&name=large

That looks like one of those classic rock festivals with an average of 1.2 original members per band. In the UK they put them on at out-of-season holiday camps. Do Americans not generally know about his attitudes?

As far as I can tell, most of them are blissfully unaware of his bigotry or are vaguely aware of some incident that may or may not have occurred a decade ago. Speaking as someone with no interest whatsoever in his solo career but who mostly enjoys The Smiths' classic albums, I had no idea how bad it was before reading about it on ILM.

P4k have reported on his racism, and - checks - continues to mention it, even in a short write-up about a new song or album being released. Good on them. Him wearing a 'fuck the graun' shirt while on tour in America will not make waves there as it does over here probably. Still, if you're the person who buys tickets to a Morrissey show in 2020, it's hard to imagine you don't by now know he's a racist piece of shit.

Yeah, nü-p4k has done a good job on this front. And I assume this:

if you're the person who buys tickets to a Morrissey show in 2020, it's hard to imagine you don't by now know he's a racist piece of shit

…is sadly otm.

I am very much a separate art from artist person, but his racism has ruined basically all his solo work for me. I used to love him too.

tbf this racist cunt has never wanted his art separated from his persona