London ILB - FAP?

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xyzzzz and I finally agree on something: changes in Royal Oak cuisine.

the pinefox, Friday, 5 July 2019 16:07 (one year ago) link

I have at last read the whole of this issue - even the two terrible poems.

I guess I didn't enjoy it that much after all.

the pinefox, Sunday, 7 July 2019 12:03 (one year ago) link

perhaps for somewhat perverse reasons, i quite enjoyed the lillian ross piece -- it's sent me back to brendan gill's "here at the new yorker". i will write reasons and perversity and gill and maybe ohagan up on the LRB thread when i am no longer ill, also ditto wordsworth's fun

(i am no longer ill today in the sense of being i think virus-free at last but i am still very tired and last night was the first thing close to a normal night's sleep since tuesday)

(i ahev not read the poems and think it quite unlikely i ever will, i feel bad about this habit but it is now decades embedded and i'm guessing unshakeable)

mark s, Sunday, 7 July 2019 12:10 (one year ago) link

Mark yes it is fair to say that though O'Hagan is bad, the review is not unreadable and has a kind of fun element.

I suppose part of the irritation though is the patent obviousness with which O'H attached himself to a certain world that he admired, and then the way that he (often) writes about it - a kind of (non-comic) pastiche of the original; trying to be Didion, or whoever.

If you think of say a Paul Morley encountering a scene, he wouldn't write in a lame pastiche of its manner but would encounter it with his own style.

Unless it was for a book on rock press history in which case he wouldn't write it?

The poems really are bad.

the pinefox, Sunday, 7 July 2019 20:06 (one year ago) link

yes i don't disagree with that -- abt the attachment i mean. i haven't written this up yet bcz i've been apply for a job by telling the publication start-up i'm applying to that their underlying philosophy is probably bad (i have no idea what it is) and so they should feel bad

semi-unrelatedly i just sent the LRB a snarky email re LR and AO'H pointing out that what in fact transformed the unpleasant qualities he admires in her into tremendous journalism was the involvement in her work (or threat of involvement hovering behind it) of the new yorker's fact-checking department, at-that-time world-leading

(but expressed a lot more directly, in case lanchester is lurking)

mark s, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 13:22 (one year ago) link

written up here: Book Reviews? LRB vs the failing New York Review of Books vs ... ?

mark s, Friday, 12 July 2019 14:07 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

Just wanted to float this idea...FAP on Dec 12th?

xyzzzz__, Friday, 29 November 2019 11:19 (eight months ago) link


xyzzzz__, Friday, 29 November 2019 11:20 (eight months ago) link

Bad idea I think - surely we'll either be out knocking on doors or getting home for 10pm exit polls?

the pinefox, Sunday, 1 December 2019 14:38 (eight months ago) link

i’ll be in f’ing australia *again* as i was for the f’ing referendum. actually i might be in the air on the way back tbh. i’ll be getting absolutely shitted on the plane i can tell you that.

Fizzles, Sunday, 1 December 2019 14:47 (eight months ago) link

Bad idea I think - surely we'll either be out knocking on doors or getting home for 10pm exit polls?

― the pinefox, Sunday, 1 December 2019 bookmarkflaglink

The reason for this is I wanted to keep drinking through the exit polls and pretty much (for me at the least) all my door knocking will be done (might do it on the day but reckon I'll be ready for a drink by 7).

Also we did have an ILB FAP on the referendum back in 2016 lol

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 1 December 2019 15:48 (eight months ago) link

Hey, some of us are always in f'ing australia

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 02:18 (eight months ago) link

Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 02:53 (eight months ago) link

Hey, some of us are always in f'ing australia

― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 02:18 bookmarkflaglink

ah man tell me about it. thing is i just can't abide the place. everyone seems really rules obsessed, boorish sports masculinity, racist, vile and totally dysfunctional politics (yes i know), tolerates a load of shitty identity oppression in the name of 'plain speaking/straight talking'. fascism in paradise.

but i love the nature, the sense of interior - as close to a psychological space physically rendered as you can get, gerald murnane, adelaide cricket ground, the friends i have out there, you and your bloody books, james (i often think of this - FAP!), the sense of apac culture, sydney harbour as a geographical space etc.

Basically i just wish western man had never discovered it (i use 'man' advisedly - aus seems a supremely masculine culture).

Fizzles, Thursday, 5 December 2019 20:51 (eight months ago) link

an almost NZ obsession with fucking coffee. what lack are you making up for u c'ts.

Fizzles, Thursday, 5 December 2019 20:52 (eight months ago) link

As someone has said, we're a nation of narcs who like to think of ourselves as relaxed anti-authoritarians.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Monday, 9 December 2019 01:26 (seven months ago) link

well, i'm flying back now, but i've had a decent enough time swimming in the sea and the taste of ash in my mouth or walking round in a Sydney bonfire. I feel a bit repentant about my intemperate words. As usual here, the people I encounter professionally are impressive and likable, while the more social side is a bit rubbish, a reverse of my experience in the UK.

I'm besotted by Gerald Murnane - bought three of his books on Sunday, during which process, a woman stared, frozen at me, and said 'you've got a spider on your lip'. I also froze, and then she said 'It's gone down the inside of your shirt'. Cue something of a frightened untucking dance in the bookshop. I mean, I suspect the number of harmless spiders in Aus is the same as the UK, but equally there are some right little shits out here as well and fucked if I know the difference.

Fuck tho this country loves its coffees, cars, smashed avocado breakfasts and its dysfunctionally see-sawing relationship with alkyhol.

Fizzles, Thursday, 12 December 2019 04:48 (seven months ago) link

Am mildly regretting this not happening tonight (and now I have other plans, at least early evening plans). Good luck everyone.

Tim, Thursday, 12 December 2019 17:14 (seven months ago) link

I'll be watching the Celtic v Cluj game then plan on getting blootered later.

I've Got A Ron Wood Solo Album To Listen To (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 December 2019 17:33 (seven months ago) link

Signed for crappy gym yoga class then drinking in a local with no TV. That's how I make my own luck.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 12 December 2019 18:14 (seven months ago) link

Which local? Just a chance I might be able to swing by later.

Tim, Thursday, 12 December 2019 18:23 (seven months ago) link

Hiya in the half moon from about 9pm. Just planning to drink through the exit poll..

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 12 December 2019 20:17 (seven months ago) link

We’ll be there in a bit but don’t worry if you’re inclined to slink off.

Tim, Thursday, 12 December 2019 21:32 (seven months ago) link

Nah just here

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 12 December 2019 21:32 (seven months ago) link

one month passes...

Shall we do this soon. First week of Feb?

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 23 January 2020 16:47 (six months ago) link

sounds good to me :)

mark s, Thursday, 23 January 2020 16:47 (six months ago) link

6th at the usual place.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 23 January 2020 16:48 (six months ago) link

of course getting there since TFL rerouted the 48 is now a minor chore (2 x buses instead of 1)

mark s, Thursday, 23 January 2020 16:50 (six months ago) link

not good for me >:(

Frozen Mug (Tom D.), Thursday, 23 January 2020 17:01 (six months ago) link

6th is ok for me. after that i seem to be travelling for work for the rest of my life so it may be the only slot for a while.

Fizzles, Friday, 24 January 2020 07:53 (six months ago) link

6th looks OK for me too.

Tim, Friday, 24 January 2020 09:28 (six months ago) link

Grand (Tom D we can schedule the next one and make sure you attend :))

xyzzzz__, Friday, 24 January 2020 09:50 (six months ago) link

Sounds good to me!

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 24 January 2020 10:04 (six months ago) link

Yes I think I can make it.

the pinefox, Friday, 24 January 2020 11:04 (six months ago) link


xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 17:31 (six months ago) link

See you later.

Tim, Thursday, 6 February 2020 13:06 (six months ago) link

The usual place = Royal Oak, Tabard street

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 6 February 2020 13:12 (six months ago) link

early-ish start and an early-ish finish for me. bloody meetings with ‘straya first thing in the morning.

Fizzles, Thursday, 6 February 2020 13:22 (six months ago) link


xyzzzz__, Thursday, 6 February 2020 16:23 (six months ago) link


thx comrade a.

Fizzles, Thursday, 6 February 2020 16:34 (six months ago) link

good to see everyone last night. DanielRF - this is the Jeremy Deller documentary I think you'll enjoy after reading the King.

on the question of which books have haunted you in the last year (well two years in this case), i was struggling - eric vuillard's order of the day, maybe, until woof reminded me of pierre michon – really good nyrb review of the translations and michon here.

Fizzles, Friday, 7 February 2020 21:19 (six months ago) link


Daniel_Rf, Friday, 7 February 2020 22:22 (six months ago) link

Non-standard I know but we're doing a little launch for the Mary Butts book I've done (and which some of you have seen) - it's a week today, Thursday 27th at the bookartsbookshop from 6.30 to 8 or so. likely pub after. It'd be lovely to see all or any of you. Gonna spam the London FAP thread with this too, so sorry about that.

Tim, Thursday, 20 February 2020 09:33 (five months ago) link

Can't come sorry Tim. Hope this goes well!

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 20 February 2020 19:17 (five months ago) link

Yes, I'm in Scotland.

Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Thursday, 20 February 2020 19:18 (five months ago) link

two weeks pass...

That Butts book looks wonderful. Can it be ordered online, assuming I have the dosh?

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 6 March 2020 01:45 (five months ago) link

Just direct from me really - if you drop me a line on halfpintpress at gmail dot com I can give you the details.

Tim, Friday, 6 March 2020 06:14 (five months ago) link

(Or my ilxmail works too I think)

(Special deals done for Ilxors)

Tim, Friday, 6 March 2020 09:27 (five months ago) link

four months pass...

It was at an ILB FAP that Tim Hopkins told me about Eley Williams.

Big Guardian interview:

I can't recall if Tim knows ms Williams, or just admires the work.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 08:27 (two weeks ago) link

I know Eley* a little - from what I know she is delightful. We collaborated on this: and I certainly admire the work. I am looking forward to the novel very much.

(*That's Dr. Williams, PF!)

Tim, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 10:59 (two weeks ago) link

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