Any tapeheads or people who like cassettes?

I bought a Peter Rehberg tape-only release because it was super-limited and I like him, even though I don't have a tape deck and have never heard it.

Not a hater at all here! I love cassettes. However, my hobby is digitizing tape-only and other analog-only releases, so perhaps it's a hide-and-go-digitize game for me. I only have a listening setup for digital, so if I'm going to listen to a cassette or an LP, I gotta digitize it anyway.

I bought a used Nakamichi a few months ago and have been getting back into tapes. They have a satisfying clunkiness. They are toylike, standing up in their cases like action figures, and for me they marked the transition into adolescence (late '80s, early '90s). Their limited fidelity can make certain elements stand out in the mix; e.g., I bought a bunch of old Sonic Youth tapes and their cruddiness seems to make particular guitar tones "speak" differently. They aren't great for everything — I splurged on the recent release of Björk albums on tape, and Utopia is an incoherent mess. It might be that it could have been better mastered for the medium, though, instead of just being manufactured as a collector's object.

I'm not a hater - honestly I kind of like the white label no artist/no title DJ releases for offering a viable alternative to music as commodity, records that resist being pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered. I don't think it's necessarily wrong to release music in whatever format makes you happy. It's just that deliberately releasing music on obscure formats exponentially increases the chances of you being Jack White.

I have the little feat “waiting for Columbus” tape, it sounds pretty good on my late era Walkman. Also have the f’ing Pointer Sisters “break out” and Toto IV

Cassette labels/artists get flack for being "deliberately obscure" or w/e but I've always sort of had the opposite view, cassettes seem to be a very populist format of releasing physical music, in the sense that cassettes have got to be the cheapest physical format for bands & labels to produce, and anyone who doesnt have a means of playing cassettes can get their hands on a used walkman for like $10 without v much trouble. Releasing music on floppy disc or DCC or whatever is another matter, but releasing new music on cassette in 2019 still seems fairly user-friendly to me. Very few local bands in my town release music on vinyl anymore due to the high cost and insane turnaround times, whereas you can get 50 cassettes professionally duped for next to nothing and sell them for $5 ea and still turn a profit, and not have to wait 11 months for the pressing plant to finish with all of next years Record Story Day product

1994 called

holy shit, I have a lot of CD's to sell it!

lol

one eye open totally otm about why cassettes are worthwhile. it has very little to do with fidelity - at any rate, cassettes sound great if you record and play them back properly.

lol cassettes are not an "obscure" format.

i have a huge collection of tapes, buy them all the time. i even have a few of the kind of fancy tape cassette wall display things.

my audio setup in the sitting room includes a DJ mixer (which serves as a pre-amp), with a JVC tape deck on one channel, record player on another, and 1/8" audio input cable on the last.

needless to say, i hardly ever use the 1/8" cable to connect my computer or iPod. it's all tapes and records.

but yknow, i also don't use any streaming music services, still have an enormous VHS collection, and have a flyer/handbill collection that goes back to 1996. the archival spirit in me is quite strong.

finally, i have a box of blanks in storage, would love to get on a mixtape club with fellow ilxors.

I collect thethem sparingly! Started recording music at a young age by layering vocal and keyboard tracks on a dual cassette boom so always a huge soft spot. I have a dual cassette Sony and a couple walkmen!

just buy a tape deck, jeez

god forbid someone releases something that can't instantly be heard via digital means

It's just why make yr music available ONLY on a patently inferior-sounding medium that gets worse every single time you enjoy it? Make it available on bandcamp as well, don't be a shit.

For the folks complaining about tape-only releases: How often is it that you come across a cassette-only release that you are stymied by, or is this largely a theoretical irritation to you?

Tapes don't get that much worse over time, do they?

I mean

Disintegration loops, hello? The muddying of the sound quality is kind of the point. There is an empirical beauty to that which changes shape just by playing it. It's super fucking cool.

Also, in a time when finding shit is so easy if the breeders, for ex, put out a tape only ep i would so hunt it down
Anything that puts the experience back in listening to music is worthwhile
It's like when ppl ask me why I listen to transistor radio over spotify radio. Like really?

musicians can release their music however they please you entitled babies

crüt otm

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2019/7/7/20683049/retro-bluetooth-cassette-tape-player-kickstarter

crut is right on!

"Disintegration Loops"-ing a tape takes a long time tho, and it also depends on the binder used. Many tapes survive for decades in good shape, even a half-century. Here's Hainbach performing some interesting procedures on tape to pre-age it, and the results are quite nice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVy9ABT5-iY

Cassettes circa mid-80s were they only way to access (via Sony Walkman) the highest fidelity of eg. Trevor Horn, Jean Michel Jarre, Mike Oldfield, Prog & New Pop-type stuff. They could sound better on vinyl, but only with expensive systems. Cassettes from that era still hold up imo and are worth seeking out if they are in that particular genre. I have a few dozen in regular rotation and buy a few each year from local bands because I mostly listen to things on physical format at home, and no-one makes CDs now.

For the folks complaining about tape-only releases: How often is it that you come across a cassette-only release that you are stymied by, or is this largely a theoretical irritation to you?

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i only listen to digi p much but, man, house sitting with this sonos bluetooth spotify setup rn and it’s giving me HAL vibes. the potential for shitty corporate gate keeping in streaming seems really high. im actually missing iTunes which i hated

there’s a reason people are going back to physical media ...

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where are my dat people

I ripped 30-year-old TDK "normal metal" cassette tape a few months ago, it sounded amazing and looked beautiful in my WAV editor program (Hanatarash 3 on one side, assorted Whitehouse on the other yeah 80s)

I always enjoyed tapes back in the day; I figure using them now would feel like writing correspondence on an electric typewriter or something, but I think it’s truly cool that artists & listeners are still into them.

I don’t really do vinyl anymore either, but honestly I’d probably choose tapes over vinyl if my lifestyle allowed for f’ing with a quirky music format (and if cassettes were enjoying the popularity of vinyl — wouldn’t that be cool? new prerecorded cassettes in Target, etc.)

They were selling tapes recently in the retro/throwback section at Target. I found a Bob Marley title and was like, "What year is this?!".

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Wow I didn’t imagine this many response! I’m so clumsy at replying here but I am reading them and they’re so great?

This is of interest, how can I join?

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, July 3, 2019 9:26 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

would be down for an ILM mixtape exchange, would be down even to organize one if there's sufficient interest

Yes!!

okay so far i have:

Camaraderie at Arms Length
maffew12
One Eye Open
sleeve
the table is the table
spacedaddy

anyone else interested in an ILM tape swap ?

They were selling tapes recently in the retro/throwback section at Target. I found a Bob Marley title and was like, "What year is this?!".

i knew this would happen. amazing, really. but also kind of sad. but also lucky in a way ...

5's not bad. I mean we could be talking 50 here.

If you have to listen to a lot of music, switching formats and systems a lot is a good idea. Do you ever get that thing where you go round to a pal's house, they play a record and you think, 'God, this sounds amazing, why don't I listen to this more often?' My suspicion is that this effect is partially due to your ears not being used to their system/the format they've played it in. I like to listen to a few cassettes a month, just to do a kind of crop rotation on my ears. Also, I'll happily switch formats between artists I'm really into - CD one time, MP3, the next, vinyl the time after.

But also tapes do actually suit the kind of music that tends to get put out on tape... modular synth stuff, drones, lo fi black metal, HC etc.

The main thing however, afaict, is that if you're the kind of musician who values releasing physical music (and there are a lot of reasons why it's a good idea to release physical & the tape vs. digital argument is a bit redundant anyway because most cassettes come with a DL code) but you're skint/ just starting out/ doing quite esoteric or underground or experimental music then putting out tapes is the only game in town currently. The jump up in cost between putting out 250 12"s or a bunch of lathe cut 12"s over putting out 50 cassettes is massive and increasingly unaffordable to most unsigned bands/acts who aren't about to do a big tour or play live all the time.

There probably was a time when some people were putting out cassettes because it was an exclusive/exclusionary/hipstery thing to do but that was more like 15 years ago. 40,000 cassettes were sold in the UK last year and 175,000 in the US but these are just industry figures and will not include bedroom run tape labels of which - and there's an absolute avalanche of them pouring through my letter box - there are a lot of. This is, for the most part, not some fashion statement - it's a totally legit way of documenting what you do and getting it out there cheaply. And there's a community aspect to it.

I think when I realised that my favourite song of 2013 had come out on cassette, i just thought, 'Fuck it' and went and bought a cassette deck. I got a reconditioned Nakamichi CR1-E for one or two hundred quid. Bargain. I could have kept on listening to it on YouTube but there's something not quite as good or satisfying about that. Clunk click every trip.

Sorry, meant to post this here. Katie Gately - Pipes. If it wasn't for cassettes this probably wouldn't have come to my attention and that would have sucked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M32PxeWrTFA

cassettes are very popular in the synthwave scene.

as others have said, I have too many painful memories to ever revisit the format.

though I am in the process of clearing out my attic, so will be looking through my cassette boxes any day now, and will be probably getting the urge soon enough.

OK, did not know that cassettes were still so cheap to produce.

Cassettes are one thing, but this is just rude: https://pitchfork.com/news/elephant-6-documentary-is-out-nowon-vhs/

By 'rude', i assume you mean awesome.
(though I might hold out for the inevitable daguerreotype/gramophone version)