Rolling Stones

Hyde Park Concert 50 years ago today. The ‘Stones in the Park’ film is worth a glance, even simply as a time-capsule of how a brief era looked.

i've probably said this before here, but in the late 70s i was flipping through my parents' records and asked my mom who these Rolling Stones were and she was like "oh they're a really OLD band, they've been a band for a LONG TIME"

Chris Richards review in Washington Post of the show the other night suggested that Mick's heart surgery caused the band to subsequently become tighter and better in 2019 live than they have been in years because they now somehow realize they could die soon. I feel like they have always been able to play proficiently onstage, the issue is just that their songwriting ability disappeared after Some Girls.

I don't no, I keep hearing similar things. The two times I saw them before, one show was definitely better than the other, but both shows, the band seemed pretty bored.

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There's like 14-16 common songs (out of 20-21) between every show they do now. Ron Wood has talked about finding flexibility within the war horses, but still...

Everything about this band is just horrible now. Their live sound is a total mess, Jagger is awful, 90% of the setlist consists of some of the worst music ever recorded - You Got me Rocking? Start me Up? It's just pure dogshit. Even the albums that have been canonised (the post Jones albums) are dreary, pasty, country blues wankathons with endlessly tedious guitars and embarrassing lyrics. Hot Rocks is all you need.

tracer's mom otm (again)

i haven't looked into it much really but every time i watch some live stones footage, even very famous well-regarded dates from long ago, jagger seems like an utter embarrassment, and i'm baffled how he ever sustained any kind of reputation as a sex symbol or performer of music

Haha otm

I like a lot of the records but watching jagger perform - in any era - is usually embarrasing

Eheh that reminds me the MJs story about M. Jackson’s being amazed at how bad a singer M. Jagger was during their recording sessions together and wondering how he managed to have such a career !

gotta work twice as hard etc.

Hum I’m not sure Jagger worked twice as hard as Jackson during his career!

...

The “joke” is that the average black person has to work twice as hard for half as much as the average white person

AIXTC, it's a reference to the proverbial notion according to which black Americans have to work twice as hard to get half of what white Americans have.

Not everyone is familiar with this line outside the US tbf.

(xp)

I’ve never heard that MJ quote, but kinda nonsensical IMO to compare Jagger to Jackson.

Oh ok, sorry, yeah didn't get that !
as for that MJ story regarding his session with MJ, I've read it somewhere... will try to find it.

https://theboombox.com/jacksons-jagger-state-of-shock/

"Jackson reportedly later complained that Jagger sang off key, asking "how did he ever get to be a star?" according to Christopher Andersen's 'Mick: The Wild Life and Mad Genius of Jagger."

It's a lousy song, anyway...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3UIj0gUxtc

Supposed to be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Equy7Y0m-iA

the chorus of “Anybody Seen My Baby” seems like a pretty clear rip-off of “Constant Craving”??

i think they ended up giving kd lang a cowriter credit

Yeah, I think Mick's kid told him, he listened to it, and agreed.

I was close:

During the album's mastering, the projected lead single "Anybody Seen My Baby?" was found to resemble k.d. lang's 1992 hit "Constant Craving" in its chorus, a discovery brought to Richards' attention by his daughter Angela. Seeking to avoid possible future legal entanglements, lang and her co-writer Ben Mink were credited along with Jagger and Richards on the new song.

Yeah, I remember that being a big thing back when it came out.

“Act Together” is so good…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir7e-NsCEoA

Charlie Watts, RIP.

NOOOOOO! Just saw the BBC report. Crushed.

I didn't know video of this existed - I think Greg Kot may have said it was the best Stones gig he ever had to report on for the Tribune:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88ZAxBiDcpY

so fucking bummed out by this

but feeling all these old singles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7d_lGaBbVQ

The bonus disc of nine newly-finished cuts on the new Tattoo You is actually all right. Plays like a decent Stones album.

The remaster is just a louder remaster even more squashed than ever before, and the live show is for collectors - the official Hampton show release is a better show from the same tour. But this bonus disc is nice, glad to have it. Nice that you don't have to buy the box set to get it too.

:O

Deniz Tek
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When the Rolling Stones toured Australia in 1973 I quit my job and hitchhiked around the country to see most of the shows. For the first Sydney show I rented a Suoer-8 mm movie camera and filmed the first few songs in the set from just in front of the stage, while getting knocked around by the enthusiastic crowd. Now, after almost 50 years, I've got some of the film fixed up and viewable, with the help of Ben Dyment who very kindly synched it to audio from the same concert, and did the editing. Here's a link to "Happy", published on my YouTube channel today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqaHRgimChI

wow!

https://www.deniztek.com/1958-national-baron

First time I've browsed ilx and found my name in a post - I'm the one who did the audio sync, haha. Deniz was kind enough to let me post the full film on my channel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYJCCSlvH80

nice work! it looked like there were some dropouts so that couldn't have been easy.

yeah it's a great watch, well done... what's that amazing ominous drone at the beginning - was that played over the PA? sounded like something from Satanic Majesties

Nice work!

the who? never cared for them either!

yeah it's a great watch, well done... what's that amazing ominous drone at the beginning - was that played over the PA? sounded like something from Satanic Majesties

― lemmy incaution (emsworth), Monday, January 24, 2022 6:07 PM

You are correct, it's the opening from '2000 Light Years', they used it as walk on music for the 72 and Winter 73 tours.

Great video!

You are correct, it's the opening from '2000 Light Years', they used it as walk on music for the 72 and Winter 73 tours.

thanks, wow had no idea - it's super effective looped like that

I have come to the conclusion that “memo from turner” is their best song

The version on Metamorphosis isn't even the best version of that song!

Ooh I didn’t know there were other versions! Where can find the others?

The "official" version is on the Performance soundtrack, and probably elsewhere, credited to Jagger, but there's some debate about how many Stones actually appear on that recording.

"Memo From Turner" is very Dylan-esque!

On the subject of Metamorphosis, it occurred to me that "Family" has a lot in common with the Pasolini film Teorema: the four characters of the father, daughter, mother and son are very close, even in details like the daughter's attraction to the father and the son's impotent attempts to express himself as an artist...
But! The song was finished in June of 1968 and the film didn't premiere at the Venice Film Festival until September, so that would seem to indicate the film had no influence on the song...
But! Also in June of '68, the Stones filmed One Plus One with Jean-Luc Godard, whose wife Anne Wiazemsky would have just finished acting in Teorema itself at about that same time. Is it outlandish to propose that Jagger might have seen a summary or discussed the plot of the Pasolini film with either Godard or Wiazemsky herself, who appears in One Plus One (though not on-screen with the Stones)?

this is pretty sweet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGKVQNtkdzw

xp @Halfway There, fascinating theory. I saw Teorema for the first time a few months ago, can definitely see the parallels with "Family." Someone needs to ask Jagger about this while he's still around...

I'm going to read Wiazemsky's memoir of her time with Godard so I can at least get the timelines of the filming straight.

apparently a new album being officially announced in September, to be released in October

Hackney Diamonds

Apparently a print ad in some UK rags:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4EQ727XMAAsYe7?format=jpg&name=medium

Original Title: GASMS

Read the title as “Horny Diamonds”

shadoobie, gasms, gasms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mEC54eTuGw

Genuinely surprised that in this deep fake world it's still impossible to cobble together a video from old footage that looks like the young guys really are singing/playing the somewhat ropey new song.

is it autotuned?

i think id like gimme shelter if it didnt have the female backup vocals.

Good lord lol

I never listened to the Stones much but listened to a few episodes of this 'Stones Touring Party' podcast about their big 1972 US tour. The first few about recording Exile + tax and money issues + planning and preparing for the tour are pretty interesting, might bail once it gets into the actual debauchery of the road.

I'd heard enough of that new song at minute one. I assume there is a bridge or something dropped in there later on.

Anyway, if anyone wondered what the Stones would sound like without Charlie, there you go. I love Steve Jordan, but his session precision gives that track more groove than it needs (and certainly more than the Stones know what to do with at this point).

the song sounds like the video looks - a simulacrum of what the rolling stones should sound and look like, assembled by a guy at a computer

I really like the verses & riff, but the chorus feels overly "songwritten" / grafted on from a different song.

("I'm still taking the pills / And I'm off to Brazil" is a good Mick Jagger couplet)

First thought he was singing "I'm still taking the piss" and thought it was his most honest lyric since he was trying to get laid in a quarantine.

Anyway, if anyone wondered what the Stones would sound like without Charlie, there you go. I love Steve Jordan, but his session precision gives that track more groove than it needs (and certainly more than the Stones know what to do with at this point).

They've been working on this album for eons (the blues covers album Blue & Lonesome was recorded when they were warming up to start these sessions, and that came out in 2016) so I wonder how many Charlie performances are on it.

I really like the verses & riff, but the chorus feels overly "songwritten" / grafted on from a different song.

Agree, more or less. The riff and verses are OK if somewhat stock/by-the-numbers. The chorus suuuuucks.

xp I did too! I had to look it up on Genius.com

According to the credits on Wikipedia right now, Charlie is on two tracks.

xxpost Might still be honest, wasn't it his affair with a Brazilian model that led to his divorce from Jerry Hall? I'd like to think it's a reference to him taking Viagra so he can further his already a substantial bloodline.

Hackney Diamonds World Tour, Brought To You By hims

Not a fan but will give the album a chance when it's out. I've actually come around to their last few albums as being potentially solid and decent works had they been capped at nine or ten songs (they're all essentially double LP's and go on too long). They just don't have it in them to cut a really good single, not in decades, but they could still be able to string together nine or ten commendable tracks.

at this point I don't know why you'd begrudge them another album

this will all be over very soon

The chorus has grown on me. I like this song. It’s easy to pick apart, but if you’re just open to that Stones vibe I think it’s v effective.

The Bluesky hivemind sez it suxx, no doubt taking cues from Sir Albini

Gotta love how even though it's still updated on the reg, Keno's Rolling Stones fanpage (a great resource still, BTW) is peak-1995 internet. A thing of true beauty.

http://www.keno.org/Home.html

Ditto Time Is On Our Side! https://www.timeisonourside.com/ (though it appears the visitor counter no longer works, sadly).