Kurt Wagner. coping mechanisms: falsetto, autotune
― Manfred Hemming-Hawing (WmC), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 15:46 (four years ago) link
Hetfield is struggling. David Lee Roth for sure. Bruce from Maiden ... doing ok?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 15:47 (four years ago) link
Ian Tyson (of Ian and Sylvia) is a strange case. he sounded great in the early '00s, but he fried his voice later in the decade when he tried to out-sing an over-amplified backing band and later came down with a bad cold. he regained some of his vocal power after having polyp surgery, only to lose it again after he was intubated during heart surgery a few years ago. I don't think he's well enough to perform these days. cowboys are allowed to have gravelly voices, so it doesn't seem like the ordeal took too great a toll on his career.
― tandoor vittles (unregistered), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 15:53 (four years ago) link
Billy Corgan.
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 15:53 (four years ago) link
John Sebastian
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 15:55 (four years ago) link
tbf in the case of Corgan you can't lose what you never had
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 15:58 (four years ago) link
Been thinking about Bjork, she doesn't seem to have attempted any of her old vocal acrobatics this last 10 years or so, is this because she can't any more?
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 15:59 (four years ago) link
Roger Daltrey, he had a few bad years as well, but has sounded okay since surgery.
He was decidedly hit-or-miss in 2006-07, but yeah, post-surgery Daltrey sounds good, especially for 75.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 16:03 (four years ago) link
title of this thread is irritating tbh. Every singer over the age of 70s is going to have their lungpower and range decrease, it's just a fact of aging.
Yeah, maybe I should have said "Singers Who've Lost Their Voices and Still Made Good Music" ... but the point wasn't "Hey, everybody gets old and loses their voice ... that sucks!" so much as "Some folks stop being interesting when they lose their voice (which also sucks), but some don't ... why?"
Some great points in here.
― Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 16:05 (four years ago) link
Gregory Isaacs was the poster boy for this
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 16:07 (four years ago) link
Robert Plant sounded shot as early as Physical Graffiti, but he's settled nicely into his new voice, especially circa Raising Sand where he sounds almost like Roy Orbison in places.
― dinnerboat, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 16:11 (four years ago) link
Mark Kozelek. Whether his conscious change in delivery was secretly because he can't quite sing the way he used to... either way when he tries now (from what I've heard) it sounds specifically like the new rantrapping-matthew mcconaughey Kozelek trying to sing, as apposed to him just sounding the way he did before he switched styles. Reaffirms that new asshole rapping Mark is an imposter. Real Mark is missing!
― Evan, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 16:27 (four years ago) link
Listen to Siouxsie Sioux on The Seven Year Itch and prepare to cringe
― brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 16:45 (four years ago) link
Been thinking about Bjork, she doesn't seem to have attempted any of her old vocal acrobatics this last 10 years or so, is this because she can't any more?― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 15:59 (fifty-six minutes ago) link
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 15:59 (fifty-six minutes ago) link
Yeah, she's had some serious issues with her vocal cords over the past decade (surgery, frequent forced vocal rests, cancelled shows etc.) and her upper range is weaker than it used to be but she still can belt a note out. She might even sound better in her mid-range now, but at the cost of losing the dolphin noises / acrobatics.
Joni Mitchell's loss of vocal range beginning in the 80s is very evident but she's a heavy smoker.
― ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 17:04 (four years ago) link
I remember hearing that a lot 10-15 years ago re: Bjork - "if she keeps singing like that, she's gonna lose her voice"
― frogbs, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 17:09 (four years ago) link
Pre:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbn6a0AFfnM
Post:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCnf46boC3I
― Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 17:11 (four years ago) link
i actually think Kylie has improved over the years.someone could suggest studio based tweaks, however, Sundays performance (and last years Hyde Park show) would definitely contest that idea.she has learnt how to use her range really well.
― mark e, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 17:14 (four years ago) link
shit. wrong thread ! ooops.doi repost over in the other one ?
― mark e, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 17:15 (four years ago) link
Thread title Should be “...Voices” no?
― calstars, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 18:03 (four years ago) link
It’s actually kinda crazy to me how affecting I find ferry’s fucked old guy voice
― shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 18:12 (four years ago) link
Lucinda Williams. She's always had that drawl/slur thing going on to some extent, but over the past four or five albums it's increased to the point where I can hardly stand to listen to her any more. A couple of years ago she re-recorded Sweet Old World and the difference in her singing from the original album is excruciating.
― van dyke parks generator (anagram), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 19:57 (four years ago) link
Waits is the rare performer who "found" the voice they're most commonly associated with well into their recording career.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 3 July 2019 20:08 (four years ago) link
Post-2005 Tori Amos.
― ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 20:11 (four years ago) link
Being a huge Echo & the Bunnymen fan, I've seen loads of discussions around Ian McCulloch's voice, and obviously I have to admit that he doesn't sing like he did in the 80's - up to and including his first solo album Candleland.But his voice is still unlike any others and he changed his style to match it, he still does amazing things with it and, while it's not what you hear on those classic records, he's a treat to hear live.
― Valentijn, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 20:56 (four years ago) link
Paul Banks
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 22:37 (four years ago) link
A notorious one : Maria Callas
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 4 July 2019 05:54 (four years ago) link
Waits is cool because he spent most of his career trying to sound like a wise, bitter old hobo and now his voice fits the persona he was working on all these decades, so the older he gets, the - i don’t know if better, but - more organic his older material sounds when he performs it.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 4 July 2019 06:08 (four years ago) link
Thom Yorke has sadly lost much of his higher tones and he sounds like he’s whining more often than not when he attempts it. Vocals break constantly live when he has to go there.
The more he losses his voice the more he likes to use it as a texture or loops inside songs and it makes for a frustrating listen to me. There’s way too much whining and mumbling that wasn’t there or at least not as noticeable in his younger years.
He’s still a pretty great vocalist but I wouldn’t mind if he toned down the high notes and the mumbling.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 4 July 2019 06:19 (four years ago) link
Two singers who literally lost their voices:
Linda Thompson (though she eventually got it back)Sheila Chandra
― Hideous Lump, Thursday, 4 July 2019 06:31 (four years ago) link
Sheila Chandra's story is rather grim, apparently the burning mouth syndrome means she can't even speak, let alone sing?
― Tuomas, Thursday, 4 July 2019 07:34 (four years ago) link
A rapper example (which is rare !) : the D.O.C.It doesn't really fit the thread premise though since he didn't sustain his success afterward...
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 4 July 2019 08:53 (four years ago) link
Shirley Collins too
xxp
― van dyke parks generator (anagram), Thursday, 4 July 2019 09:06 (four years ago) link
DMC also lost-lost his voice (the D.O.C. in a car crash, DMC damaging his through shouting and alcohol), with Run forbidding him from performing on their last record & him switching to croaky blues gasping as a solo artist
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 4 July 2019 09:09 (four years ago) link
Milli Vanilli
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 4 July 2019 09:10 (four years ago) link
A sad case of someone whose voice is only a shadow of what it used to be, without finding a new style to match it (like Leonard Cohen, Tom Waits): Stephen Stills.
― Valentijn, Thursday, 4 July 2019 09:33 (four years ago) link
Andy Bell from Erasure
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 4 July 2019 10:09 (four years ago) link
Boy George
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 4 July 2019 10:10 (four years ago) link
It’s actually kinda crazy to me how affecting I find ferry’s fucked old guy voice― shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Thursday, 4 July 2019 4:12 AM (fifteen hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Thursday, 4 July 2019 4:12 AM (fifteen hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
Yeah that cover of Johnny and Mary where he sounds frail and ancient is really special, def my favorite late-career Ferry thing.
― umsworth (emsworth), Thursday, 4 July 2019 10:18 (four years ago) link
I haven’t heard Boy George since Somebody To Love Me (nine years ago!), but he still sounded wonderful there, if deeper & not as liquid as his 1985 self
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 4 July 2019 10:23 (four years ago) link
Xp In fact generally like rock voices cracked with age, my favourite parts of seeing Paul McCartney recently were the bits where he sounded like an old man. I like the honest sound of this pop cultural moment heading into its dotage.
Oh and Perry Farrell was the one that came to mind for me. Last time i saw Jane's he was doing a really good sleight of hand job but it was clearly not really there. He made up for it with showmanship and somehow suggesting his old voice and I think as an audience you sort of fill in the gaps. Occasionally he would really go for a crucial note. It must be super hard to no longer be able to do the thing that defines you, and i did feel for him a little having to put in such effort to even approximate his old performance.
― umsworth (emsworth), Thursday, 4 July 2019 10:29 (four years ago) link
Re : Ferry, yeah I love his jazz/big band stuff. arguably one of the peaks of his career imo.
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 4 July 2019 10:34 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2hzLpZftLQ
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 4 July 2019 11:05 (four years ago) link
George Clinton!
― Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 4 July 2019 12:04 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQVaRudcClc
Compare and contrast :(( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCpWh8Yi9Uc
― Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 4 July 2019 12:06 (four years ago) link
OMG
― Vini C. Riley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 4 July 2019 12:40 (four years ago) link
Ian Anderson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QeDpONKs0U
― Zeuhl Idol (Matt #2), Thursday, 4 July 2019 12:50 (four years ago) link
Walter White's flute skills have improved though
― bendy, Thursday, 4 July 2019 14:36 (four years ago) link
Johnny Cash might be considered in the same group as Waits and Cohen.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 4 July 2019 15:41 (four years ago) link
Life has been not surprisingly pretty rough on many of the old 80s metal singers voices.
Stephen PearcyVince NeilDavid Coverdale Chris DeGarmo David Lee Roth
Thing with some is that they get them healed or fixed and they do improve some times. Axl Rose voice was completely blown on some of those faux-GNR live stuff, worst I can remember was that clip of them playing one of those Bridge benefit concerts. Axl and Phil Lewis (of LA Guns) both seemed to have lost their voice and a few years later sound much better.
― earlnash, Thursday, 4 July 2019 15:49 (four years ago) link
Michael Stipe seems to have lost most of his once-wide vocal range by 2007 (when R.E.M.'s Accelerate album was recorded).
Geddy Lee’s voice has slowly deteriorated over the years and he became unable to reach the high notes of the earliest Rush albums. But then watch the concert video of the Clockwork Angels tour and he is visibly struggling to reach even the pitched-down versions of songs. It actually hurts to watch.
― Melomane, Friday, 5 July 2019 23:12 (four years ago) link
Hmmm. 2008:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0wsEzK-yJA
― timellison, Friday, 5 July 2019 23:37 (four years ago) link
Pitch-y at first but he seems to settle into it
― timellison, Friday, 5 July 2019 23:42 (four years ago) link
Those are pretty high notes. E5, F5?
― timellison, Friday, 5 July 2019 23:49 (four years ago) link
Stipe sounds pretty bad in that 2008 clip and the RRHOF induction from the previous year, IMO
― stan by me (morrisp), Saturday, 6 July 2019 00:18 (four years ago) link
Man this makes me sad. I heard only a little bit of the latest album but it was autotuned to oblivion and I figured it was probably the case that his voice is gone
― Vinnie, Saturday, 6 July 2019 15:05 (four years ago) link
Chris Conley from Saves the Day was one of these, I think.
― ☮ (peace, man), Saturday, 6 July 2019 15:22 (four years ago) link
Re: Andy Bell. It’s not just the autotuning, it’s the way that he actually sings now - seems like something changed in his technique when he did the Pop Star to Opera Star TV show. Does make me a little sad to listen back to the earlier Erasure records and hear how good a voice he had.
― michaellambert, Saturday, 6 July 2019 15:23 (four years ago) link
I think Stipe's hitting an e4/f4 on "air". He struggles on the scale around A-C before getting back to being comfortable. Which feels like he's not getting a chance to breathe. One could say he's trying not to breathe.
― KPH, Sunday, 7 July 2019 00:44 (four years ago) link
literally!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioQLg5Aodjw
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, 10 February 2020 03:00 (four years ago) link
I looked at the source video expecting it to be some negligible thing that stupid youtube channel blew up into a thing but nah, he legit was nowhere near the mic and his voice came in at same volume. also I know what he sounded like 4 years before that clip was recorded and it...wasn't that good.
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, 10 February 2020 03:04 (four years ago) link
linda ronstadt, to degenerative palsy.
― andrew m., Monday, 10 February 2020 16:40 (four years ago) link
Aw :(
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, 10 February 2020 16:45 (four years ago) link