Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

Did people ever say John Major, who didn’t even proceed to A Levels, couldn’t deal with his red boxes due to a lack of academic qualifications? I find this take on Corbyn fairly tedious.

I don't get who its for. Its like the last 5 years haven't happened, no one gaf about any of this reading a document shite. The people who spend time reading documents in front of correctly angled cameras are the ones that trashed everything. Such a pointless and tone-deaf line of attack

this starts off as a comically bad "dystopian post-Brexit future" story then abruptly turns into a half-baked analysis of the Tory leadership election
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/04/autumn-2020-no-deal-britain-conservative-party
worth every penny of that 6-figure salary!

i almost feel it's a net positive of brexit that so many people have unequivocally shown themselves to be pricks, barmy, stupid or otherwise gaping arseholes. bad with words, bad with thoughts. Tear them for their bad verses. (i think mark s used this recently, but it's also i think my favourite shakespeare line so)

and by people i mean commentators, op-ed journeymen, pundits, chancers, grifters etc. apologies for any confusion there by using people so indiscriminately.

I didn't realise that was Shakespeare when mark used it, it's an absolute classic line.

timon of athens. iirc it’s a point where he starts becoming unhinged. the moment mental violence breaks out into state sanctioned populist violence and tyranny against a (not v good) poet. both deserved and totally undeserved because of the disproportionate power behind the critical words.

something some blue tick fuckers on twitter could afford to learn.

Climate change
Enough of the climate nightmare. It’s time to paint the dream
Ed Miliband

Posting here because it's probably not just a bunch of pictures what Ed done

i cannae actually bring myself to read that

No black women available to write this one, huh https://t.co/MitSjuQdEk

— old man bangers (@FindusPancake) July 5, 2019

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/04/the-guardian-view-on-classical-music-art-or-status-symbol?CMP=share_btn_tw

couldn't care less about the proms, but is this dickhead actually saying people are listening to the classical canon for the wrong reasons? Anyway it's just more garbage clickbait - but I hate whoever wrote it and couldn't give less of a fuck what they consider "challenging" listening in 2019.

when adorno coined the term "culture industry" he already included (and indeed was largely animated by and against) stuff very much like the proms and indeed the guardian

it's true that he didn't much like (or necessarily always think clearly abt) pop culture, but the argument that somehow the current situation undermines his position is an excellent example of how and why he was correct: this bad editorial is itself by-the-yard fake seriousness passing itself off as something socially deeper

caveat: except for the bit abt playing vivaldi loudly to drive ppl away, this is good critical science bcz vivaldi is annoying and bad -- his re-entry into the canon was effected in 1939 in italy by a crew that included ezra pound (tbf vivaldi is just boring and bad, he wasn't actually a fascist as he died in 1741)

That’s a lazy bunch of bullshit. Last year I was lucky enough to hear one of the most remarkable and refreshing renditions of Beethoven’s 5th at the proms. It may have been part of the cannon but it was very different. People still got in for 6 quid.

canon: bach, beethoven etc
cannon: tchaikovsky 1812 overture and that's it

I'm sure Beethoven and Bach's contemporary audiences sat in rapt appreciation at all times and there was no conspicuous consumption or groups of rich twats treating it as a social occasion at all.

I get the feeling the writer would consider Thom Yorke with a banjo and a sequencer avant garde. What really is avant garde is Cannon without any balls!

When i say i don't care about there has undoubtedly been loads good stuff in it over the years at affordable prices.

*about the proms* i meant

vivaldi is shite, but you said that about mahler as well mark (㇏(•̀ᵥᵥ•́)ノ)

beethoven's 'wellington's victory' also has parts for cannons and muskets

In their book Men of Music, Wallace Brockway and Herbert Weinstock termed the piece an "atrocious potboiler".

Beethoven had no illusions about its merits, and responded to similar criticism in his own time: "What I shit is better than anything you could ever think up!"[3]

wait what i said mahler arrived in the canon on the back of a fascist stunt? if true i am cancelled for being an idiot

(he is boring though, that's different to being fascist imo)

not even got any feelings for no 6?

"this is tragic stuff" :D

it did inspire some good shade from berg (directed at beethoven): "Es gibt doch nur eine VI. trotz der Pastorale"
webern's recently discovered reply: "zu lang, also sehr mimpy (genau wie du, wirklich real zu sein)"

they're not doing much Mahler at the proms this year, only 1, 5 and Das Lied I think. I couldn't be arsed to book any of those (saw Das Lied earlier this year).

In fact it's just 4 and Das Lied. Duh.

I seriously cannot be bothered to read the article. Would rather prefer to sit through a Mahler symphony, even no 8

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/15/theresa-may-legacy-feminist-champion-women

Aw yeah.

Don’t give them the clicks, imo, the url tells you 95% of what you need to know.

Nah, there's gotta be a good top comment

Oh sick, it's one of the ones that doesn't have comments

I presume they are pretending the two child rape clause didn't happen for the sake of a very wrong controp.

https://www.theonion.com/women-now-empowered-by-everything-a-woman-does-1819566746

Theresa May’s positive legacy? She’s a feminist champion | Martha Gill https://t.co/vH0iJ1YaV2

— The Guardian (@guardian) July 15, 2019

here are the comments :)

I guess they got exactly what they wanted. Played right into their hands

The Conservatives look like the party of privilege

Who knew?

Greening setting her stall out for all those who think she had absolutely nothing to do with education "reform" during the last nine years.

The Graun posted some right drivel at the the start of May's tenure as well. What a genius gambit by going to the left of Labour via lip service etc...

Boris Johnson's positive legacy? Latin is once again on the curriculum.

(did you see what I did there?)

"look like" the party of privilege

won't someone think of the optics?

I can't work out if a paid political journalist, leader writer for various newspapers is actually oblivious to the multiple awfulness of the deeply unpleasant, stagnant shit souffle that May is as a human and a politician. Or she's just been asked to write a risible challop piece about her. Either is bad.

Serious question, would Gavin Shukar actually get paid for his article?

I mean, he should, 'cos it's hilarious.

"for one short period back in the spring, it looked as though the formation of the Independent Group might just catalyse the unravelling of both parties of government..."

read a piece last week about controversy regarding the singer rosalía releasing a song in catalan which uses spanishisms. the article, from a guardian writer who lives in barcelona, had a link to a tweet in catalan which he identified as being critical of rosalía but was in fact critical of criticism of rosalía. i haven't to barcelona since 2010 or had any contact with the catalan language since that time and i could read the tweet.

made me mad.

Are you referring to this one?

de vertitat perdonarem que la rosalia digui "cumpleanys"?

Because the Guardian piece's author doesn't describe it as an instance of criticism.

ah it's been edited. there was another tweet linked in the article previously

Lol

Toby Young may be terrible and whatever but those indignantly piling on should realise they are mainly doing it for two reasons: 1) it's his turn to be bullied on twitter today and 2) they like bullying people on twitter

— Martha Gill (@Martha_Gill) January 3, 2018

Let's presume there are equal numbers of straight men and women. 'Redistributing sex' would just mean monogamously pairing off more of them, wouldn't it? I mean, it's v old fashioned, but not sexist, unless you start from the sexist pov that sex is a commodity women give to men? https://t.co/DDGrJgBdE6

— Martha Gill (@Martha_Gill) May 3, 2018

@thomasknox Newsflash: women are just as sexist as men. Sexism still a problem.

— Martha Gill (@Martha_Gill) July 16, 2014

None of these points are made in the article. Assuming "more sex for everyone" means "sex should be wrested from women and given to men" itself rests on the sexist belief that women don't like sex and men do.

— Martha Gill (@Martha_Gill) May 3, 2018

I don't get why this is sexist. Isn't he saying that nowadays dating is a free for all, so the most attractive men and women get all the sex, and the less attractive men and women don't get any. 'Redistribution' would mean returning to olden days where everyone had to be married

— Martha Gill (@Martha_Gill) May 3, 2018

Publishing this by a man who was one of the key architects of the spurious case for war cynically constructed to justify war crimes on an unimaginable scale is beyond insulting. The Guardian is vile and indefensible. Campbell is a war criminal who should be locked up for life. pic.twitter.com/DG5V7R37ng

— Louis Allday (@Louis_Allday) July 15, 2019

Xp any relation to eric lol

The older I get the more I think Kate Millett was right about everything.

good grief, Martha Gill is so very bad I hope she's embarrassed one day at all this drivel she gets paid to write. It was bad enough when the Spice Girls were declaring Thatcher as a paragon of feminism, but at least they had the excuse of being dim as fuck pop stars, not so called political journalists.

https://youtu.be/yaq-t59D9hA this reminds me of this classic clip (0.53 for Thatcher)

it wasn't all the spice girls! the mels and posh pushed back!